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Star trek academy series

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,961 ✭✭✭Evade


    Remember when most Starfleet officer exuded competence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I watched the first two episodes and I will freely admit, I was not expecting to enjoy it at all.

    BUT…. I will say that I thought it wasn't bad. That sounds like I'm damning it with faint praise but it COULD have been awful.

    I enjoyed Holly Hunter (Even though I typically find her voice/accent slightly annoying in general). I enjoyed her character. I very much enjoy the drill sergeant.

    The kids weren't insufferable as they could have been. Even the hologram girl. She is annoying but that's her character arc so that makes sense and I'm OK with that.

    I take the show for what it is: Star Trek Academy. It's going to be full of hormonal teenagers. I thought the Betazed girl was a bit too smiley/teenager but, again, if they bring her back, I'm assuming that's her thing. She has the inhibiter for a reason ("I hurt people"). So I take it that this is burying some deep uncontrollable rage or lust or other emotions.

    It's not perfect of course. It is what it is. I'm not the core demographic. And I could do with them dialing back all the extraneous robots etc and stop trying to do a Dave Filoni and squeeze in as many references to other species as possible. The deeply missed Lower Decks already did that.

    And, of cource, Tig Naturo (Or whatever her second name is). She's just brilliant and was one of my favourite things in "That-which-must-not-be-named".

    So, yeah, pleasantly surprised. I'll watch it.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 26,945 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    Well, I've watched the first 5 episodes, and I've avoided all discussion and spoilers of it, but I have to admit I'm not hating as much as I probably should be.

    There's certainly some cliched elements in the writing, but they move on quickly so they don't really get grating. E.g. Darem turns up as the stereotypical jock, complete with Hollywood trope English accent, but it then gets called out in a meta manner with "the asshole always turns up early".

    I do like Holly Hunter's whole bare foot anarchic chaos pixie approach, and her inability to just sit normally in the captain's chair.

    There's far more humour throughout, but after Lower Decks it doesn't stick out like it would have before that series. Some of it is certainly clunky, and laid on too thick such as with the vice chancellor.

    It's not a substitute for a main line Trek series, and it's not meant to be, so I'm not going to hate it for not being something it isn't meant to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    "It's not a substitute for a main line Trek series, and it's not meant to be, so I'm not going to hate it for not being something it isn't meant to be."

    Good point, and I would put it on a par with Section 31 rather than any previous Star Trek, well apart from Disco.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ah look we all have different tastes and opinions and all that but this is not on par with Section 31. Not even Disco was as utterly sht as that movie. It doesn't even really have anything Star Trek in it.

    It's so bad I don't even hate it because until someone brings it up I have it blanked from my memory.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    The question is if you transported yourself from 20 years ago as a Trek fan and watched Academy or S31, would you even know they were Star Trek?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,140 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Being reported it will end after season 2.

    Article contains spoilers for first season.

    Mentions it failed to make streaming Top 10.

    https://www.tvline.com/2130181/star-trek-starfleet-academy-canceled-paramount-plus/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,645 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,645 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Regardless if you liked or disliked the show, Kurtzman needs to go. Fresh eyes and ideas are needed now.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Before season 1 aired it was almost 100% certain this show wasn't gonna get more seasons.

    Short of becoming the next Stranger Things (which was never gonna happen) and talk of season 3 was just clickbait.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Thank god for that, not only was this series really not Trek it was awful T.V too.. hopefully we've seen the end of Kurtzman-Trek after SNW finishes…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 620 ✭✭✭eadrom


    oh well. Not terribly unexpected, and I’m not that upset that teen-drama Trek isn’t the one that really found it’s market.

    Some promising characters here though, and the post-burn world was starting to feel a bit more realised than it had in Discovery, I’d be interested if they show up again in some other thing.


    Is that no new Star Trek being filmed then? Both SA 2 and SNW 5 are in the can, I think. Or very near to it. Interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Feel sorry for some of the young actors who could have done well in a better Trek show.

    Also Oded Fehr is a perfect fit for older Trek but instead gets saddled with this and Discovery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,807 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    As the phrase goes.... "and nothing of value was lost!"

    As I said over on the E10 thread, I expect they'll just dump S2 onto the platform next year (maybe later this year?) in one go with little to no fanfare.

    Hopefully that's the end of Kurtzman Trek now as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,645 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Apparently they end S2 on a cliffhanger. I'm not watching another season to have the story unresolved.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,780 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Agreed, am going to mentally block out everything from Kurtzman and hope the new direction is after Picard and gets back to stories instead of gender politics, feelings and being different is better (well hoping Kurtzman is out)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The cancellation of Academy on Season 2 might indicate that Kurtzman’s renewal discussions have either failed entirely or are perhaps going that way. Naturally we won’t know at all until either Paramount make an announcement (or Kurtzman starts publicly throwing his toys from the pram for getting sh*t-canned), but this news does indicate the stop to pretty much everything Kurtzman’s Secret Hideout had on their slate.

    If it is the end of his tenure, good riddance. He mismanaged the franchise for a decade pissing away shameful amounts of cash on bad television. While what did work felt like projects which Paramount had forced upon him. If this is the very end of Trek on TV, it’s very much on him that we got to this stage. Hopefully this is not the end and hopefully they can find a good showrunner to do something good with Trek.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,780 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    When you see less than 4k votes to save a series you know nobody wants it

    Petition · Renew ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ for a third season - United Kingdom · Change.org



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    This absolute crud would have went straight to DVD if it was made a number of years ago..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Do you really care that much about the story of this show for that to be the red line ?

    I think the show is alright but it won't be keeping me awake at night if I never learn the fate if these guys.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I've watched some very good shows that had ended on a cliffhanger for a subsquent season that had been planned prior to cancellation. It's a very annoying way to end a show, but up until that point some of these shows had been worth a watch.

    Would Academy Season 2 fit the same kind of bill? Impossible to tell now.

    From my own experience I have so far only watched one Academy episode (Episode 2 I believe). It was actually better than I expected, but not so good that I felt the desire to watch any more of it. Didn't dislike it at all…but I didn't really care enough about the characters or story to watch anymore. I'm wondering if this is part of why the ratings have apparently been so lack luster? A general sense of apathy? No hate, no love, just…"meh, it's alright"

    Ending on a cliffhanger also tastes like Kurtzman trying his best to protect his own hide (and that of his producion company). I guess we'll have a better impression of this when the final episode is actually shown. My guess is that he was banking on the current arrangement surviving beyond this year…which it might still do…we won't know for sure until some kind of offical announcement is made.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,883 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    The scuttlebutt is the new regime in Paramount is more interested in Trek for the cinema than series.

    Which is not really what I personally want, I don't believe cinema Trek will ever be smart again, and I really want Trek to be more than an action franchise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 620 ✭✭✭eadrom


    if I were a betting man, I’d put money on the next Trek being a pivot to “humanity’s fight for a brighter future” – where “humanity” looks an awful lot like USA-aligned military futurism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I'm not massively gone on Trek in the cinema. Of course there are good Trek films but more suited to ongoing series. Mre time to get your teeth into something. The Borg appear in Season 3 or whatever of TNG and don't appear again until a year later but don't need to spend first 30 mins figuring out who these Borg characters are. DS9 of course went far more serialised post S3.

    It's a pity the Academy series was cancelled. I enjoyed the characters and the show for what it was. It was trying something different, aiming for a different demographic, different angle and was punished. DS9 would not have survived nowadays as there was huge backlash in the US ("Trek without trekking" etc. Was initially far more popular in Europe than the US. But I suppose people got what they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think Trek movies or a niche show like Academy only work as accompaniment to a solid core show.

    With JJ Trek you never really knew those versions of the characters and a movie with a new crew would be the same.

    If Academy came out at a time people where very happy with some concurrently running adult series I don't think people would be nearly as critical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,264 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Not a pity at all. I am deliggted. It was rubbish. Means I do not have to watch season 2 now which is great.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,264 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Brilliant. Delighted. It was rubbish. I for one will not waste my time watching sesson 2.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    There was no gun to anyone's head to watch season 1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,264 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,883 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    My opinion of Academy is very similar. It was not for me and that's ok, I am happy for part of Trek to be reaching out to the young 'uns.

    I'm a big fan of comics and the Transformers, and the concept of RUINED 4EVER is well known for me. The idea being that long running stories need to change just to stay fresh, let alone attract new audiences. There's only so many stories you can tell before you repeat. But every time they do there will be people screaming the thing they've loved has been ruined forever by the abomination it has become. Yet, time and again, the new version becomes someone else's beloved version of the property. I think the first time I encountered this personally was when I saw people defending the Star Wars prequel films (I was there at the time and every adult who saw them thought they were absolute junk).

    But it's just part of evolution, Optimus Prime won't remain a munkey, Superman didn't stay dead, the Doctor won't always be a woman. Wait a little while and it's all change again. It has to.

    All that being said, Academy wasn't great for me, and SNW is far closer to scratching my Star Trek itch.



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