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How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    I was very amused earlier while having lunch at the number of my colleagues complaining that the forecourt prices hadn't fallen at all today. I couldn't even be bothered explaining to them why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Circkle K on the N81 in Dublin have dropped to 2.08 today from 2.29 last night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    When the government puts 5c on fuel in the budget from midnight it goes on immediately, why, ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Circle k seemed to had capped their diesel at 228⁹ and petrol at 199⁹ at all of their company operated sites.

    And they all had the same drop morning.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    In my local pub the price of cigarettes only goes up the next time the machine gets filled. Despite what the media may say.

    The duty is applied to the wholesale price at midnight, the retail price increase is at the discretion of the petrol station owner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,922 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    Is it optional to reduce diesel by 20c , just watching rte interviewing owner mcsorleys petrol station in enniscorthy, he said we reduce diesel by 10c today because our price was 2.19 anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    Yes it's optional.

    But people won't buy off you if your 10 cent above the going rate locally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,817 ✭✭✭touts


    Applegreen in Clonmel were 2.24 this morning and 2.14 this evening. Only a 10c drop. Looks like they pocketed most of the tax cut.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,922 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    I don't know what's the point of the government giving 20c reduction when petrol stations dont have to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    Of course they'll do it. It's called competition. They skin the price of fuel to get you into the shop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,431 ✭✭✭Buffman


    I thought he explained it fairly well, the fuel gets taxed when they buy it so he was selling old Diesel delivery at 2.19, new Diesel delivery comes in that would have cost 2.29 with old tax but because of 20c tax reduction he's now able to sell new stuff at 2.09.

    He was talking sense actually looking for a government rebate to be done on the previously bought stuff so he could sell it at lower price but they didn't do it.

    He had 110000 litres of fuel in stock when the tax changed so I'm guessing no business would be able to suck up a €22000 hit and survive for long if he'd applied the lower tax price to fuel he'd paid the higher tax on.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,922 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    And presumably prices up within a day or 2 of the conflict breaking out they were topping they tanks up at the new expensive rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,325 ✭✭✭testtech05


    Or going up 2-3 times in one day as I saw myself in a local garage how do they account for that one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    There's no point trying to explain it to these guys. They just don't want to know.

    The government should have dropped by 8c last night and then a couple of 6c increments over the next week or so.

    I don't envy garages trying to cover all the volatility and then to get abused by the thicko's who are too thick to understand the chaos all this volatility is causing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,877 ✭✭✭appledrop


    This is what pisses me off, if it worked both ways it would be grand but it never does!!!😡



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,431 ✭✭✭Buffman


    If you'd watched the full interview you'd have heard him explain prices were already well on the way up due to the threat of war etc and the actual 'war' prices didn't kick in until the following Saturday for him.

    I don't see why he'd bother BSing it on the news TBH as it's no skin off his nose.

    Looks like I misheard, he actually had 156000 litres in stock when the tax changed.

    Martin McSorley, a member of the Irish Petrol Retailers Association and owner of eight service stations in the south-east, said his businesses have had "a lot of comments from customers and we've had some abuse online on social media".

    He said even setting up for the Six-One interview on RTÉ One, that was broadcast live from one his forecourts, people have been "shouting at us and different things".

    Mr McSorley said: "Customers have an expectation that it [price cuts] should happen instantly, but it just doesn't work that way.

    The cuts have been applied at only two of the filling stations since the reduction came into effect.

    "As of midnight last night, we had 156,000 litres of stock in the ground which we paid a much higher price for.

    "So, in some of our sites we won't be able to pass that on until that stock level lowers," he said.

    "And then we also have an issue where customers are expecting a drop of 20 cent, but we were not as high a price at midnight last night as some sites would have been.

    "So, our drop today on this site was only 10 cent because we were only at €2.19 for a litre of diesel, so that 10 cent is not what customers were expecting.

    "So, there's a little bit of abuse from that as well," he said.

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.

    Public transport user? If you're sick of phantom ghost services on the 'official' RTI sources, check bustimes.org for actual 'real' RTI, if it's on their map it actually exists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    It's the small rural petrol station owners who I feel sorry for.

    Many will have paid at the top of the market for fuel but will not need another truck for a week. Between now and then they'll be abused for not dropping prices and if they do they'll be loss making on fuel for the week.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    This is partly why garages put the price up quickly on existing stock. To build in a bit of a cash buffer so if there's a sudden drop and it has to be sold at a loss they can cover it

    This kind of reality goes way over the heads of the Facebook warriors of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,505 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Who uses Facebook?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭josip


    If you think some here are being thick, head over to FUEL PRICES IRELAND on Facebook.

    I do, to remind myself why I'm happy to pay the Boards sub.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭reubenreuben


    Instead of berating the fuel station owners, it should be aimed at the government for all the taxes.

    Excise, Nora (which is supposed to be for having a storage of fuel incase of a crisis, which didn't work in this situation), carbon tax.

    They will be bringing in more taxes when EV percentage use increases too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    Yes the FUEL PRICES IRELAND page is full of imbeciles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Maybe not possible for you but in general this is why mandating WFH for those who it's possible for should also have been part of the government strategy. The difference in my fuel costs now in an almost fully remote job vs. going in 3 or 4 days a week is significant. A full tank of petrol would get me a month easily unless I have work related trips or the odd day I do go the office which I get mileage for both so don't cost my pocket at all.

    Funny how the prices can go straight up when it suits but not come down in the same way…. your colleague was correct to be complaining.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,277 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    NORA isn't supposed to 'work' in this situation.

    It's a strategic reserve, it's not there to smooth over price fluctuations. It's to prevent, or at least delay or ameliorate, rationing if serious supply shortages occur.

    We have less fuel tax than many European countries.

    Private motoring needs to be taxed one way or another so yes a per-km tax is inevitable eventually.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,277 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    A full tank of petrol would get me a month easily unless I have work related trips or the odd day I do go the office which I get mileage for both so don't cost my pocket at all.

    Revenue don't allow mileage to be paid to go to one's normal place of work

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,036 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The last few days I learnt that excise is paid by the retailer to the supplier on delivery of the fuel. Up until then I had presumed it was paid by the consumer at the point the transaction was made in the forecourts.

    This was my assumption because on a typical budget day there's an excise increase from midnight that night which is almost always visible that morning in the forecourt price sign.

    Yes exactly this. If prices don't come down immediately they also shouldn't be going up immediately



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,036 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I don't think anybody, even the thicko, is arguing against what forecourt operators are saying today. Even the lad that dropped 10c instead of 22c makes sense, he bought at the old rate, he's almost half way down his tank and now he's topping up at the new rate, 22c less per liter, and is passing half the proceeds on to the consumer such that he doesn't make a loss on the half a tank he had before he topped up. It does all make sense

    What doesn't make sense is the increase that we get at midnight affecting prices from midnight onwards. But to be fair, the petrol retailer needs to make a profit too since he can only afford to drive a Merc and pay his staff minimum wage!



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