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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 597 ✭✭✭myfreespirit


    Trump "lies without compunction" as an editorial published in the New Yorker magazine pointed out in 2017, when he first took office.

    You cannot believe anything he says - most of the rubbish that comes out of his mouth are lies.

    This claim is Donald doing a TACO in the face of Iranian threats to destroy civilian infrastructure in the Gulf states.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Trump is probably speaking to the exiled opposition person

    Translated

    "Trump's shift in tone from "regime" to "the country of Iran" (THE COUNTRY OF IRAN) in his latest tweet is no coincidence. When he speaks of "constructive dialogue" while the Islamic Republic categorically denies any negotiations, it means the seat across the table in Washington doesn't belong to the current officials.What's fascinating is that the order to halt attacks on power plants aligns precisely with Prince Reza Pahlavi's recent request (protecting national infrastructure and focusing on the hard core of power). This five-day pause in attacks carries the scent of an agreement with alternative forces and the opposition."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,108 ✭✭✭✭ted1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,108 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Any nuclear deal should include Israel giving up its nukes, they are far to violent and unstable to be allowed hold nukes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,539 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Yes Iran will absolutely abandon any development of nuclear weapons now after all this. Sure



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    If Iran didn't fire on Diego Garcia, then who did?

    We have been hearing propaganda from Iran about 31 divisional commanders with sealed orders who can't be recalled because the central leadership is dead. If that is true, then the attack could have been one of them going rogue and beyond their orders and the centre wouldn't know and the claim they are not responsible is a lie.

    If it is untrue about the 31 divisional commanders being autonomous, then that is a lie.

    Given two mutually incompatible statements, you cannot claim Iran are being open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    This is delusional.

    You seem to think that Iran's neighbours will lie down and accept their desalination plants being blown to bits.

    If Iran is that stupid, not even the Russians and the Chinese will stand by them.

    The cost to Iran of losing its navy alone is far more than the cost to anyone else to date in the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I was listening to a discussion on LBC and they suggested that this war may lead to other smaller countries to start building or acquiring nuclear weapons as a deterrent to attacks from stronger countries. Essentially many countries know that if they have nuclear weapons, they will not be attacked by stronger countries or alliances. They used North Korea as an example. The US will not bomb NK because they have the nuclear deterrent. We may see nuclear proliferation again driven by deteriorating geopolitical relations and the ignoring of international law. The Doomsday clock will get closer to midnight next year.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Neither side is going to be honest in war, it's just Trumps lies are more transparent.

    The only off ramp for him seems to be actually turning some of the current regime to actually negotiate with him. Iran dont want to be in the same situation in a few months time so are never going to give up control of the Strait of Hormuz



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Saudi, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain don't want to be in the same situation in a few months time so they are never going to let Iran control the Straits of Hormuz ever again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    If the US dont seem to be able to prevent attacks on it and their Nato allies dont seem to want to help then the gulf states are not going to do much. My understanding is they would need boots on the ground in Iran to gain control of the strait



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    On the point of Iran being one of the most egregious human rights abusers in the world, I had a look at the Freedom Index.

    https://freedomhouse.org/country/scores?sort=country_name&sort_order=asc

    Ireland: 98

    Iran: 10

    Israel: 73

    USA: 81

    Russia: 12

    North Korea: 3

    Interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Iran has broken Middle Eastern trust by bombing civilian infrastructure in its neighbours. They won't trust it again, and will actively undermine Iran going forward, assuming the regime survives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Trump seems to be lead by the nose by two entities, Israel and the markets. Could still be an attack at weekend when markets close.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Ireland is a neutral country, in that we don't actively participate in other nations wars. That doesn't and shouldn't stop us from having and voicing our feelings, opinions and objections to those wars. Which often gets a certain type flustered and then they start wanging on about our President "overstepping the mark", talking shite about "far lefties" and other such bollocks.

    It also doesn't mean that our situation regarding Shannon stop overs doesn't potentially put us in a dodgy position either. What happens at Shannon is, essentially, a gentleman's agreement (primarily with the US, entered into after 9/11) that whatever military aircraft stops there observes our requests and isn't carrying munitions, are not involved in military exercises and aren't on route to an active war zone.

    The thing is these aircraft are only very rarely subject to inspections (I don't even think we check the manifests) and we don't track their onward passage either, so we actually have no idea where these planes and equipment are going once they leave our airspace. Really all we have is "trust me bro".

    And we shouldn't pretend that any country follows all the agreements they've made when they're at war.

    This can, potentially, put us (or at least Shannon) at risk if a country at war has intelligence to show that an aircraft that stopped and refuelled at Shannon was enroute to active ops against them. Because it would mean that they could attack aircraft or the facilities there.

    We continue to play a precarious game with our Shannon stop over because while we are indeed neutral, the nations that use it to refuel their military aircraft are not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 597 ✭✭✭myfreespirit


    All of what you say is too true, unfortunately.

    The US negotiators, Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff are supposedly the interlocutors - the same pair that pretended to be genuine in the negotiations just prior to the start of the US and Israeli attacks. Why would any of the Iranian regime trust the US this time around?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Unless they invade Iran and successfully topple the government and install a puppet it really doesn’t matter one shiit what they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    It’s obvious trump shat himself and blinked first. If they Iranians were wanting a deal asap they wouldn’t be shiit talking about him immediately as they know how fragile his ego is. He caved simple as that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Two creepy pompous twits with a background in real estate are the world’s foremost superpower representatives in international relations deal makings. It’s a complete farce.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Imo, Ireland can only really claim to be "neutral" if it either stops that from happening or it allows Russian planes to refuel at Shannon.

    Personally, while writing this, I think Ireland should drop the neutrality thing. But I don't live in Ireland anymore so it's not for me to say. I don't have a defined opinion on it really and am not sure what I think about the topic yet. It's complex and up to now, I am proud of Ireland's positions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    Theres mounting evidence that no one did and it was just spin from the two biggest war criminals in existence that was trying to draw the Europeans into the war. For all their money and tech, the US can't wipe their own ass without the britain holding their hand. Iran don't have the capability to fire that far but the other 2 cretins get to put the frighteners up Europe to say, you're in range and suddenly they get what they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭combat14


    yeah thats just the market realising that this is far from over yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    Next move will be Trump throwing Israel under a bus, hope it’s a big one!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,283 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The problem for Trump is that the fallout from this war will last many months and impact the midterms. He has severely disrupted the world's supply of oil/gas and he will be reminded of the economic impacts for some time. The war also cost him a pretty penny but the arms manufacturers will thanks him as their replenishment orders come in. He and his buddy have killed a lot of muslims which will please Hegseth and others.

    There are no upsides for the USA. Another major loss of aura as the youngsters would say. How did some folks get so easily fooled by it all?

    But look, he really cares for the Iranian people. And of course Europe has to handle many of the displaced people that will head west.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I don't believe for a second that Trump has had any talks whatsoever with any Iranians. However, he will most certainly have been talking to other representatives in middle eastern nations, like Saudi and Qatar, with whom he has business interests that he'll be wanting to pursue after he's kicked out of office in a few years time and they'll be very clear about what they want from him in return and what they certainly do not want is this stupid war and the chaos it has fostered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Really?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/22/uk-confirms-iran-fired-two-missiles-at-british-american-base.html

    The UK said it was Iran.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yljdgwppzo

    "The Wall Street Journal and CNN reported on ballistic missiles being fired at Diego Garcia, citing unnamed US officials, but said that neither weapon reached its target.

    One of the missiles reportedly failed in flight, while the other was intercepted by a US warship. The BBC understands the reports are accurate."

    BBC seems to believe it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Neutrality has served us very well and will continue to do so.

    If anything should be dropped, however, it's allowing military aircraft stop over at Shannon. That needs some very serious looking at.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    How has neutrality in the last three decades served the interests of the Irish people?

    What benefits has it brought?



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