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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭yagan


    First off believe nothing coming from Trump, it's all just refocusing.

    This war was driving up domestic consumer prices and about to crash the stock market without delivering any quick wins.

    Because Trump will never accept he created this mess, Iran can now tell the GCC members to pay to pass the strait and he won't do a thing about it.

    He might flair up with Iran again next week, but if he switches to threatening Cuba today then Iran is already receding from his mind.

    It will be interesting to see if Israel tries to ratchet up its war to suck Trump back in, but with no easy wins in sight in the region I can see him snapping at Israel to reign it in.

    In his scrabbled egg mind Israel is now too conflated with his mess with Iran that he'd rather forget it all.

    His goal is now the midterms and Cuba is the easy win distraction to get him to that point. The only lesson he's likely to have learned from the Iran mess is to drag out a Cuba confrontation, milk it for what it's worth.

    The ringmaster and clown circus are heading back to the Shield of America ditch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    No surprise to see Trump back down. He is increasingly irrational as this war goes on. Iran former Persia is a mighty nation one which Bibi correctly identified as a stumbling block to a greater Israel. The irony is by taking on Iran Bibi has put Israel's very existence at risk.

    The Israelis are not making much headway in Lebanon territorially. It looks like the IRGC is collaborating with Hezbollah in firing missiles at the invading forces since last night. Unfortunately I think Israel is going to bomb Iranian power infrastructure. They rightly see this war, which they started, as existential meaning all cards are on the table including nuclear. If Iran hits desalination plants in Saudi, UAE and Qatar then those societies are at risk of collapsing.

    Iran has conducted this war in a strategic and measured fashion. They are in this for the long haul. The longer this goes on the worse it is for Israel and America. America has for all intents and purposes lost bases in multiple countries adjacent to Iran. They are leaving Iraq as it stands.

    Strategically this has been a catastrophe for both Israel and America. America's much diminished military presence in the middle east harms Israel's sense of security. The nonstop missile attack from Iran almost unhindered into Israel is a huge psychological blow to Israelis sense of security.

    For eight years a western backed Iraq attacked Iran and eventually they came to a truce. Iranian capacity to endure pain, loss and suffering is beyond anything we can comprehend in the west. Iran has prepared for the possibility of war with Israel/America since 1988.

    Now Iran is in a strong position to get sanctions lifted. They look like they will put a toll on any ship travelling in the strait of Hormuz. Iran will likely dictate when this war ends. By any metric Iran is likely to win this war. At worst the Islamic government will survive come what may so they won't lose it.

    This war will have cost the U.S tens of billions in running costs and lost infrastructure as well as military prestige. Israel is being pummelled. It is a pariah state around the world. People are leaving as they no longer feel safe there. Their economy is badly damaged. Hard to see tourism recovering. The cost of rebuild and repair will run into the tens of billions.

    Did Bibi really think Iran would collapse with the assassination of the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei? Talk about a miscalculation. Trump is just an idiot with no intellectual depth and the attention span of a toddler.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Because people are naturally enough suspicious of all these Russian aligned sources you post straight from the TASS firehose?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,180 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    The Military Industrial Complex is certainly kicking into high gear for the force reconstitution and resupply of Gulf GCC states.
    About $12 billion in FMS sales approved by Congress and announced today.
    Important to note, absolutely vital I would say.
    Is that none of this $12 billion applies to replacement Patriot or THAAD missiles.
    Of particular Irony, the sale to Kuwait includes a new IFF interrogation system 😉
    That could have been handy for the USAF Deconfliction protocols a few weeks and a few F15E's ago.

    Screenshot_2026-03-23-12-51-44-917_com.revolut.revolut-edit.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,655 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Getting solar panels atm and legit feels like the perfect accidental timing for them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭yagan


    Isn't the gallium shortage the critical issue regarding thaad replacement?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Iranians are a very proud and quite nationalist people. They celebrated widely after the last war only 9 months ago. I also heard it a few times listening to geo-politics commentators on reputable sources and podcasts. Obviously it's hard to know what's happening on the ground but there have been some pro-Government protests and no evidence of anti-Government protests. Not surprising in many ways as I am sure there is a strong "lockdown" and the pro-Government protests are probably organised by the regime. Given that Israel are heavily involved and a school full of girls was one of the first US strikes, it's not hard to see how Iranians could be completely fed up with foreign interference.

    A quick Google offers these…

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/iranians-rally-around-the-flag-after-being-attacked/video/acad9c3e57eec580a04cb22050bfb99b

    Thousands Attend Government Rally in Tehran to Denounce Israel and U.S. - The New York Times

    Iran authorities support continuity with backing for Mojtaba Khamenei | News | Al Jazeera

    Iranians ‘rally around the flag’ after being attacked | The Weekly Times

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭combat14


    what does trump do in 5 days when the iranians still won't back down give them another 5 days or send in the marines



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,180 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Not just THAAD, but every new AESA radar, the F35's upgraded AN/APG85 also appears to be bottlenecked currently.
    The latest 100 F35s for the US have been delivered without their specified APG85 radars and are structurally incompatibile with the current spec APG81 radar.

    The lack of a US supply of gallium is a serious constraint upon US ability to ramp production of advanced GaN radars and other sensors.
    It is an issue that the West as a whole is also facing.
    There are small Western suppliers, Japan, South Korea, Germany and Canada.
    Also if I remember correctly, France has a small imported stockpile too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭midlander12


    'WITCH will continue throughout the week'. Dear Lord.

    At the very start of the war the former head of the UK civil service was interviewed on LBC after one particularly torrid day on the markets. He surprised the interviewer by saying he wasn't really all that worried as he expected the whole thing to be over in a couple of weeks, once US 'gas' prices at the pumps started going up and Trump started to worry it would affect the midterms.

    It's an interview that has stuck with me ever since - a statement of the obvious but one that many seemed disinclined to accept for some reason.

    By the weekend Trump will be busy posting about his imminent takeover of Cuba (with whom he IS apparently in talks).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Cuba should be very very afraid if they are in talks…

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Marine landing ships won’t arrive for another few weeks, well maybe only one of the two on way that went thru straits of Malaca few days back

    Edit; Iran reject Trumps olive branch

    https://www.ynetnews.com/article/0t2zpd7dr



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,821 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Iranian Government now stating that there are neither direct nor indirect talks with US Government officials and that the strait will be remaining closed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭midlander12


    As always, it is possible for two or more things to be true at the same time. I suspect there have been talks going on all along. Some people seem incapable of anything other than a binary narrative, especially when Israel is involved. I've said before that I think the fact that the President, a relatively new appointee and relatively moderate figure, remains alive, is significant.

    This regime could not have survived for 47 years without some public support, any more than Soviet communism could have or indeed dictatorships time out of number all over the world. Even the Israelis accept that 20% or more of the population support the regime - in fact the total numbers employed by the govt and the various security agencies probably approach that figure anyway, not to mention the ranks of the religiously devout. That's 15-20 million people, not hard to extract a crowd from. It's notable that those attending the pro-govt demos, both men and women, seem very conservatively dressed even by Muslim standards.

    That doesn't mean the majority support them - most probably just want a better life and would support anything that might give them some hope of that.

    I remember being excoriated over on p.ie last year after predicting that the June war would be followed, not immediately but after a time, by another significant street uprising, Not at all, I was assured, the 'Iranian people' were too 'proud' to play the US and Israeli game in that way. And then January happened. People generally just want a better life. All this regime has ever seemed interested in is exporting its brand of Shia Islamism and setting up states within states in Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen etc. It has some achievement in terms of universal education but the overall balance sheet is pretty poor, and even in quiet times it has been one of the most egregious human rights abusers in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭Firstsub


    The punctuation in this post is a crime against the english language.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,604 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    And that market bell is timed with Trump's 5 day deadline.

    Follow the money?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,108 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    when you say Iranians, do you mean people living in Iran, or people living in the west with Iranian heritage. There is a internet blackout in Iran, you wont see anything. but generally you can expect a rally when your country is attacked.

    as for talks, they were in the middle of talks before the Israelis and TACO started to bomb them. the US administration is untrustworthy, they kill people during talks. they go back on trade agreements etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Hopefully there is a successful uprising in the months to come. It will have to have zero links to the idiots in US/Israel to have any legitimacy and be successful long term.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭combat14


    by all accounts the hard liners in iran look like they wont negotiate giving up their dreams of nukes and inter continental missiles nor will they open the straits

    these are serious red lines for both the US and Israel hard to see how they are going to bridge the gap..

    more reports of thousands of US airborne troops being made ready for deployment the new 5 days could be the calm before the real storm..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭yagan


    That assassination of a nations head of state would anyone, including we in Europe of having anything further to do with Trump's USA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Markets already reacting favourably. Iran in a much better negotiation place now than they were when the negotiations were going well in Geneva a few weeks ago.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,285 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Why, exactly, would Iran trust a negotiation with the US/Israel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    What are they going to do, attack Iran's energy infrastructure ?

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭combat14


    looks like war is far from over based on latest from trump-

    Trump made clear that ending Iran’s nuclear program is crucial for any deal and claimed that Iran had agreed to that.

    "We are very willing to make a deal. It’s got to be a good deal and it’s got to be no more wars, no more nuclear weapons. They’re not going to have nuclear weapons anymore. They’re agreeing to that. Any of that stuff, there is no deal."

    He suggested that the US could go in to recover nuclear material from Iran if a deal was made.

    The US president also said that you could consider that Iran was already undergoing a regime change because the US-Israeli attacks targeted and killed a large number of top Iranian leaders.

    If there was no deal, he said, “we will just keep bombing our little hearts out.”

    meanwhile israel are apparently not quite on the same pause page as trump, as they continue to take out regime infrastructure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    That's all they ever do those 2 rogue states, bomb, bomb, bomb. When they have to get their hands dirty they lose.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,891 ✭✭✭threeball


    I think thats been true for decades. Trump has just pulled back the veil and people finally see what the US is. Even their own citizens are starting to see that light and understand they're not the saviour they purported to be.

    Iran have been pretty open about the happenings in this war. Just look at the way they denied Diego Garcia immediately and that appears to be true. I also don't believe the claims on the planes the US said were friendly fire or mid air collisions. Israel completely denying the damage from missiles that was coming out on various media. Both regimes are taking heavy damage and the bill to repair will be astronomical if its even rebuilt at all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭combat14


    seems to be unclear who trump is talking to in iran.... all very vague so far...

    "A top person. Don’t forget: We’ve wiped out the leadership phase one, phase two and largely phase three.

    But we’re dealing with a man who I believe is the most respected and the leader, you know it’s a little tough, they’ve wiped out – we’ve wiped out everybody.

    Asked whether the US was talking to Khamenei, Trump said: “No, not the supreme leader.”

    “We have not heard from the son. Every once in a while you’ll see a statement made – but we don’t know if he’s living,” Trump added.



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