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How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    There are hybrids which are only €20 more than a BEV for motor tax. Even if was €50 more hardly much of a difference.

    Most hybrids will spend a lot of their time on their ICE, and there's a lot more of them than BEVs. So it's all these ICE vehicles especially post 2008 diesel with cheap motor tax that has reduced the revenue from motor tax. Not any shift to electric drive trains.

    I guess they've mostly recovered it from tax in fuel though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Motor tax in general is a bad way to tax people anyway. If you added 1c to the price of fuel you'd cover a lot more than what the tax brings in. Given that a more efficient car is using less fuel you're still promoting the lower emissions vehicles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    Somebody has to pay for the upkeep of the roads though.

    An EV is heavy and wears the road more. At the moment not paying it's fair share of maintenance.

    But I do agree though, pre EV, motor tax should been added to fuel. The more you use the road the more you pay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    Are groceries / booze etc. cheaper up there?

    If you can save on multiple items it might be more worth your while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    I dont see the connection.

    Its Motor tax you pay, not road tax.

    It goes into the coffers of the county council to use anyway they see fit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp


    Is that not a bit like saying that the USC is not a tax that goes into the general Govt coffers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭Barnaboy


    A lot of stuff is cheaper but you have to be focussed on what you buy. That was purpose of my trip last night.

    We had our son checking prices on Tesco ireland before putting anything in the trolley. The price difference on certain items is massive, in both directions...

    It's the only way to do it if only reason you go is for cost. In the past we have looked at the trips as a family day out, go somewhere nice, have lunch and then do a shop on the way home. Last night was my first ever 'strictly business' shopping trip.

    Obviously not worth trip for fuel alone unless you live in a border county.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Motor tax isn't ring fenced for roads. So we've no idea how much is used for any road if any.

    And again the vast majority of "EVs" on the road are hybrids so ICE. So small battery big engine. The impact of BEVs on the road will be minimal there just aren't that many on the road.

    34,604 new registrations in January,

    Hybrid 28.28%

    PHEV 14.56%.

    Bev 21.15%.

    Petrol 20.94%

    Diesel 12.48%

    Basically 80% of cars sold still have an engine. Every other year's is been more than 80%. So this is the best ever for BEVs.

    There is no way that of all the cars on the road that 20% of cars have a bigger impact on roads and motor tax than 80%.

    It's a false narrative and it has an impact. We can see in New Zealand that BEVs are disproportionately targeted with pay per mile.

    People are hedging their bets and going mild hybrid. As the EU noted as a general trend switching to hybrid is really fudging the emissions and fuel consumption and not delivering what it claims to.

    Any tax cutting on fuel due to rising prices will only encourage the shift to hybrid rather than BEV. At some point we'll all be scratching our heads why emissions targets are still off, and oil is still king.

    Upside will less demand on public chargers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,722 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    HGV's only pay €400 to €900 per year in motor tax and cause up to 100,000 times more road damage than cars do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    For my personal opinion while I have one EV and one ICE and do low mileage. When it comes to the replacing the to ICE. Unless have a big investment in Solar and home batteries. Looking at the total cost of ownership a second BEV isn't a slam dunk. The govt and market are pushing me to another ICE.

    I think fuel prices will be kept in check so that won't really be an issue. It's just spiking at the moment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭combat14


    according to the indo the government are going to cut fuel excise tax by 33c a litre for one month only.....

    given prices of 2.33 pl for deisel at some stations (and rising) this hardly seems anything like enough

    it will take deliveries from middle east at least 6 months to regularise if the war stops today.....

    who is advising or making decisions in government because it looks like an inadequate response to help workers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭sruthair


    I have had a few hybrids so far and I found that I could get the consumption down to 4.0L/100km / 70mpg in certain driving conditions, like for example driving through the mountains in west Mayo / Galway, I found them to be the worst driving in urban areas in winter, if i wanted a bit of heat. the tax on them was €180 / €200.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭JVince


    They use gas for refining.

    Gas has gone up, but refinery profits on diesel has gone into the stratosphere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp


    Exactly, motor tax bears no relation to the impact of the vehicle on the environment including roads. It’s just another mechanism to extract easy money from consumers.

    Look at the impact the increasingly massive agricultural related vehicles have on rural roads, spreading slurry, crop planting and harvesting, etc and compare the motor tax applicable compared to the private motorist in their little petrol cars.

    It’s all about money so it’s only a matter of time before a new system is devised of extracting maximum cash from zero emission EVs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,142 ✭✭✭9935452


    The lowest rate in 2008 was 105 . Now its 200. They will just bring the rates up.

    Or add taxes to electricity or put a minimun unit price on electricity

    Just like they did on alcohol.

    Another reason for motor tax income to be dropping is cars are turning vintage and going on the 56 euro rate.

    i know several people daily driving their vintage car

    In answer to the questions about things being cheaper in the north.

    I bought slabs of magners 440ml x18 for 10 sterling.

    15 bulmers 440ml were on offer down here for 25 euro.

    No recycling fee in the north eithre



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I'm guessing statistically vintage cars aren't significant in Motor Tax. There just aren't many of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,722 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Cars becoming 30 years old isn't a new phenomenon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭davemckenna25




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    1 cent? If the average person used 100 litres a week (and they don’t). Thats a euro a week extra or 50 a year. Not moving the dial much.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,799 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    The Government are making a fortune out of it in tax revenue, and given the uncertainty of the economy generally (even before the war) and the costs of living, housing etc they are quite happy to take it so they can give a pittance back at Budget day and look like heroes!

    Plus, Ireland's politicians are generally slow to react to anything - either waiting for others to take the lead, or to tell us what to do. Same as what happened during Covid when Micheal essentially abdicated responsibility to NPHET and Tony Holohan. In this case they are hoping Trump will call it off (or be pressured to) before they have to make real decisions.

    Myself I have to commute to the office 3 days a week for essentially no real reason as I work in IT and was very able to be fully effective remotely during the aforementioned Covid situation.

    I don't need work for my social outlet, and I'm old and experienced enough to be able to work independently without having to sit at a desk to prove it. I am one of those commuting from the outskirts doing 170 km return each of those days and up to 90 minutes each way in traffic for the privilege.

    If it goes much higher I will be having a conversation in the next fortnight about reducing the in-office days I'd say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    My wife was telling me that in Slovakia they are limited to 10L per week. Her parents are about 10 km from the main town. They also run a small farm so moving livestock is going to be hard.

    Lets just hope we don't have the same issues down the road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    That's partially true. The limit for a Jerry can is 10L , and you can only put a max of €400 into a vehicle.

    Not many cars take €400 of fuel.

    https://spectator.sme.sk/business/c/diesel-restrictions-introduced-in-slovakia-to-ease-supply-pressure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    If it comes close to fuel shortages the government should recommend WFH for businesses that can and also government departments. Might help out slightly. I know a lot of depts are but maybe state 1 day in the office and recommend private companies to do the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,106 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Fuel rationing incoming

    Front Page Irish Daily Mail 22/03/2026


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭sruthair


    do many people use HVO100? anytime I get it at the pumps the last sale on screen is always petrol or reguar diesel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,010 ✭✭✭bren2001


    It amazes me anyone would notice what the most recent sale was. Maybe I'm odd in paying zero attention to that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    A limit like that here would be unlikely to affect farmers, public transport, movement of critical goods or critical workers



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