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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Ah great Godwins law invoked, though probably not for the first time in this thread.

    I cant wait for Trump to wake up and say something dumb regarding the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    This is why Bibi was keen for Larry to buy Tik Tok to reverse this thrend. He admitted to pro Israeli influencers Israel was losing the propaganda war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Attacks on Iran from gulf states. Iran responds by attacking gulf states.

    Its very straightforward logic when you think about.

    Bringing up Hitler....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    If you don’t want to look at WW2 of why this “strategy” Iran chose is supremely idiotic, look further back to WW1

    Defending the spread of misery and war wider and wider onto less and less deserving parties is incredible form of warmongering imho



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    And what does this mean for any country within striking distance of America?

    Danish soldiers flown to Greenland in January were prepared to blow up key airport runways over fears that US President Donald Trump could invade the Arctic island, Denmark's public broadcaster DR says.

    Citing sources in the Danish government and military, and also among European allies, DR says blood supplies were also brought in to treat the wounded in the event of fighting.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c33ln4mp1p2o



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I'd agree with you on the second part, Israel in the minds of many people maybe seen as a pariah state , but they won't be by most western powers . The fact we haven't seen them isolated politically by the EU at this point says it all. I previously thought that was due to the EU being afraid of the reaction from the Americans, but if we look at what happened over Greenland, we saw the EU and Canada was well able stand up to America over that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    No.

    But I've watched repeatedly saying "Trump would never do that!", only to be followed "I can't believe Trump did that!".

    The writings on the wall, or at least the tacky gold sprayed tamu filigree he's stuck up all over the white house. King Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Iran says it has the right to respond to the UK's decision to allow the US to use British bases

    "These actions will definitely be considered as participation in aggression. We reserve our inherent right to defend the country’s sovereignty and independence"

    Currently they are flying the big bombers through Gibraltar not over land, then through Saudi to attack Iran. Not great news for Cyprus with the tourist season about to get underway if they start at those bases

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    It means countries here in Europe need to get more serious about defending themselves {something the far left and our president constantly moan against} and need stronger alliances and institutions that can stand up to Trumps and Putin’s of this world like the EU {whom the likes of Sinn Fein and others on far left and far right absolutely despise and want gone}

    and other countries who consider themselves neutral (ahem) need to have a national conversation about what neutrality means in a world without rules



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Every two bit dictator in the world is looking at what the US and Israel did in Iran and wondering, could I do that next door with drones and missiles? It sets a horrible precedent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Its guerrilla warfare essentially. They cant beat the US in conventional warfare.

    Youre spectacularly wrong with comparisons to WWI/II.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Guerrilla warfare against whom? There ain’t Americans or Israeli troops to perform guerrilla warfare against in Iran

    your argument is nonsensical and based on romantic notions the Left holds of their deplorable regime of the day being some sort of “guerrillas” fighting for some sort of revolution, can you think of any wars where “guerrillas” couldn’t actually reach their attackers and instead chose to attack innocent neighbours and how those ended up

    The word you are looking for is terrorism and terrorists not guerrillas, that’s what terrorists do, take innocents hostage(execute a bunch to make headlines) in the hope it impacts their targets. Which is what Iranian regime is trying to do, take the whole region hostage economically, but it will just result in resentment and hate and a coalition forming against them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,707 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Are they not allies to the US? If so they're legitimate targets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Uk saying they are not party to the conflict and those big US bombers dropping bombs on Tehran and elsewhere probably killing dozens of kids asleep in their beds, are only protecting British citizens in the region and are purely defensive.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Iran will be seen as more of a rogue state in the region than Israel. Other countries see Israel as having good reason to go to war with those who want to eliminate it, and I include countries like Saudi, Egypt, Qatar etc. who have that view. They might not approve of the wars waged by Israel, but they understand them.

    However, all of those countries are outraged at Iran attacking their neighbours for no good reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Explain the hundreds of Iranian Shaheed drones attacking innocent people in Ukraine night after night coming from Russia and Belarus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The UK is participating in the war on Iran, the gaslighting from the UK govt on this is unreal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Israel have also bombed state (army? not sure) positions in Syria, to protect the Druze people, apparently.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    We will need to crank up the military industrial complex and learn to defend ourselves and consider joining a military alliance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    3 times more Iranians have been killed in 3 weeks than have been killed in drone and missile strikes in the entire Ukrainian conflict. It's bordering on a genocide isn't it, killing all those civillians indescriminately.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,703 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I’m less convinced by that. There are significant difference between the drone production and usage as seen in Ukraine vs likely in Iran.

    In Ukraine, the drones are being used along a very long front, striking any target in a belt ten kilometers deep and hundreds of kilometers long. It is currently impossible to defend against that whole area. For Iranian islands or the Strait, the targets are in known point locations. A ship. An island. As a result, it is possible to concentrate the defenses against them. Further, it will be a lot easier to see the drones coming. Not many terrain features for them to hide behind as they approach over the (cold in coparison) water. The only possible way of getting through will be to try to overwhelm defenses through sheer numbers.

    That in itself leads to two problems. Aegis ships like Burkes are already designed to deal with swarm attacks, by supersonic missiles. Tracking a swarm of drones would not be particularly problematic, and unlike the supersonic missiles, they won’t need the expensive missiles to kill them. They are already well equipped with guns. And that’s just dealing with whatever has gotten through earlier layers. F-16s and the like are currently bombing in Iran, but should the US decide it’s a priority, they can carry a whole lot of anti-drone APKWS and run interference instead. Apaches are also currently patrolling the Gulf, looking for small craft. Their 30mm will do a number on a small drone. I suspect Marine cobras have a shot also. I would not be surprised if other nations, who have no interest in bombing Iran, will still provide such function to ensure freedom of shipping once they have all the relevant assets in place and feel they have no further ability to wait. Sales of APKWS have already been approved to UAE, Qatar and Saudi. I would not be surprised to see them start being integrated onto their aircraft in the next few weeks.

    Further, drone swarms have not been viable in Ukraine anyway due to difficulties in concentration of controllers for manual operation, and of electronic warfare for semi-autonomous operation.

    Additionally, massing fires is going to leave a signature, even if construction is literally a “cottage industry”. Unlike in Ukraine/Russia, the US has the ability to fly over any hut in Iran making drones and drop a bomb on it. If they want to keep the industry, they need to keep production volume low to avoid attracting attention due to patterns. Further, even if the drone can be manufactured in a hut, the motors cannot. There is a traceable supply line, again, something which the Ukrainians cannot affect in Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Against the US allies that allow American bases in their country. Those bases are being used to attack Iran. Attacking both their energy infrastructure and their civilian populations.

    Iran in return are attacking their infrastructures and populations. They cant attack the US mainland.

    Its very simple really.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,660 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Against the economy and politically. They can't beat Israel and America but they can damage the economic framework that has massive negative political repercussions for them back home.

    You know, the exact same thing that the Vietcong did to win that war, or Afghanistan with Russia. Make the war as deeply unpopular as possible back home to force the politicians in charge to pull out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    There’s 1.5 million casualties on the Russian side alone of the their little three day war you have supported



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    The Americans might pull out and I even mentioned earlier in thread that I would not be surprised if Trump just goes “so long suckers, you are in your own, we done so much for you Middle Eastern freeloaders”


    but go back to how this discussion started all them gulf countries if their economies are destroyed they won’t just go “oh well we should unite and march on Jerusalem like we did in 20th century those few times our asses got kicked” but instead would go “Iran has to go or we don’t have a future” which is precisely the position Israel now has after being subjected to decades of this terrorism from Iranian regime and their proxies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Activist set fire to an Israeli linked weapons factory in the Czech republic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    What is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    Also I note your claim of “this war” killing Iranians. Not Israel or the US!

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025




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