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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 senorsmoke


    because someone told you about bustimes. And if you’re off to school check the term private hire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭Fizzy Duck




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Siptu trade unionist Tom O'Connor explained a good few points on RTÉ's Morning Ireland recently that the biggest reasons why the electric bus charging points were not getting installed quickly in the bus depots were due to delays in the planning system.

    He said in the interview that depots like Harristown in Dublin along with Tivoli and Capwell in Cork were (in his words) still due to be electrified this year.

    Although when I read from BreakingNews.ie today, there was no info in it as to when Donnybrook Garage in Dublin would be getting the chargers installed at this current time.

    He did make some other good points about stopping the use of the older diesel buses being taken out of storage to run the bus services in Dublin due to their large engine sizes in the interview.

    He also made a very good point that electric bus charging points should be exempt from applying for planning permission when he talked about Jack Chambers Critical Infrastructure Bill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭hfjm20


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,122 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Yes, I think I mentioned this in another thread. I was reading what was going on with the Galway Depot Electrification and why it is delayed and you couldn't make this stuff up!

    Basically Galway CC planners delayed it because they were concerned about the impact of lights in the depot on wildlife! They made BE/NTA go do a detailed new environmental impact statement and when they submitted that, they then made them re-advertise the application and wait another 6 weeks for public submissions!!!

    All of this in an existing depot, in the middle of an industrial estate, in the middle of a port!

    Mad stuff and as far as I can tell there wasn't a single public objection to this application.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭George White


    MMore Strife. Reported a driver who wasn't observing the stop bell on the 45a, and TFI emailed to ask which stop even though I told them. Then they gave me the wrong stop number and said it was closed, not realising or caring that was the alternate daytime route. The fact their emails no longer allowed replies meant I had to ring for the correction and had to spend ten minutes explaining the 45a to someone barely able to understand. How does this optimise the process?

    Again, the 45a seems to be given to reckless drivers. Look at that lad who ran over the old man last week at Bray station (which I saw with my own eyes).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,480 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Keep telling your local TDs and the Minister about it.

    The Crapita contract needs to be shredded, as they are incompetent fuckwits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭George White


    IdidI did but the Minister's secretary said he can do nothing. Again, he has chosen to do nothing. He has chosen that the DoT do nothing out of cowardice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,480 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    So keep at the TDs, pointing out the Minister is acting helpless. Opposition TDs should be able to make hay from that.

    Write a draft press release about it for an opposition TD even. "incompentent NTA contact centre cannot handle simple queries" sort of stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    They probably have you marked down as a nuisance and a snitch, with far too much time on his hands. And I can see why.

    When complaining, less is always more. Don't complain about harmless mistakes, like a driver on a busy route missing a stop bell. Save your complaints for stuff that actually matters. Or get a hobby. That might be better.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,480 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Knowing how Crapita run their call centres, they would not have the ability to do that; because they don't have the ability to actually understand the queries they're getting to begin with.

    A driver repeatedly missing or ignoring bells, which is what I interpreted that as, needs reporting as they're incompetent. A single miss is not something to report.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭john boye


    Jennifer Whitmore, the Soc Dems TD seems to be quite vocal on public transport issues around that area. Get in touch with her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    Trust me, people who work in call centres, on very low wages for the likes of Capita, know exactly which customers to dismiss out of hand.

    Given the frequency of that poster's complaints, I read it as a single incident. He appears to have nothing but contempt for workers. His comment on last week's tragedy in Bray Station speaks volumes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,480 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Being able to track people across incidents is not something Crapita or their minimum-wage-somewhere-else staff are good at doing.

    I'm not aware of all their posts but I can't see anything about anything in Bray.

    Crapita have taken a poor service provided by the operators and replaced it with an effective non-service. As they always do. Company should be barred from tendering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    Their primary job is to reacquaint dozy people with iPhones they've left on buses. Beyond that, they serve as a punchbag for serial moaners. They log complaints, send them to the operators, who - if necessary - then review the CCTV and/or interview the driver. I don't know about you, but I've never felt the need to make formal complaints about workers. I mean, never say never, but it would take a lot. Life's too short, and the moment has usually passed. He seems to have more issues than the average person.

    His comment about the incident in Bray, still subject to a Garda investigation, prejudges any investigation and (surprise, surprise, given his contempt for workers) automatically blames the driver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,480 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Their primary job is customer information, which they are completely incapable of providing. They have replaced a service that could at least do that; albeit was a similar black hole for complaints.

    They are also exceptionally slow compared to the operator info providers.

    If they are not breaching their SLA by being so slow and useless, whoever defined the SLA needs to be fired. Out of a cannon, preferably.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭BusGuy


    What do you mean by ignoring the stopping bells? Seems something like a cover-up since most 115s/116s/SGs scream the stopping bell in the driver's ear, and it would seem very unlikely if it were a silent stopping bell. (This happens a lot in the AXs/EVs)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭George White


    I am very friendly with Ms Whitmore. She is always on my case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    The only bell that 'screams' is the disabled bay… bells can be missed very easily, and forgotten about too when some passengers press it after just leaving the previous stop and the next one isn't for a couple of minutes or a delay is encountered

    That and of course... What's to say they actually pressed the bell? The amount of times I had passengers try convince me they pressed it when there was no audible or visual indication that they did



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    I will say, I did experience some issues with the bells on some of the PAs when they were first introduced, or at least the passenger focused chime and the "bus stopping" sign wouldn't light up until a pressed a 3rd different bell. I imagine that was mainly down to teething issues with the new buses rolling out, however



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,480 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Battery powered wireless buttons on those, I believe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    I find it often takes 3 or 4 attempts to find a working bell on the W2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭BusGuy


    Did you forget about the upstairs long buzzer sound? That also screams, but thank God in Dublin we don't have these kinds of stopping bells where some people would spam the stopping bell (or the bell doesn't lock after somebody presses it)

    Some bells are quite common nowadays on GAI buses, where the upstairs long chime sound can be played on a stop button downstairs, where the downstairs stop sounds are supposed to be a bell, and not a long chime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    CCTV can't be used in a displinary long standing agreement in DB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    No they don't I believe and it's a complete over reach and should be illegal under employment law and gdpr imo. The sole purpose of cctv should be for claims and garda investigation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    As a former driver who listened to it every day for 6 years, the upstairs and downstairs bells do not scream in a driver's ear... That's my point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    It can also be used to prove that the driver was blameless. For example, even in a very trivial case, if someone claims that the bus didn't stop when they rang the bell, CCTV might be able to determine if they rang it in time. Or not…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭BusGuy


    So then why can I hear the long chime from near the driver? I swear there's like a speaker or something near where you would hang your bag or your hi-vis. (if there is a thing like that), Because only the PA class (correct me if I'm wrong) have things that, if somebody presses the stop button, it plays throughout the whole bus through its speakers. (The EWs might have that, but I'm not sure)



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