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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Fed rates kept unchanged despite Trumps efforts to pressure them to cut

    11 out of 12 voted to hold citing Middle east tensions and rising oil prices.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I explained it with an analysis/video I've posted on a number of occasions. The idea of a country in this position with such precarious geography and a small population marching on Cairo or Kuwait some place in Türkiye, is so far outside the realm of rational belief that it defies understanding.

    This below analysis comes from a source I consider to be apolitical:

    Why Israel has a terrible geography

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭midlander12


    Not being funny but Iran's 'intelligence' appears to be still in a grim state. Only massive Mossad infiltration could have given them the whereabouts of the two most senior security officials.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 487 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    Super Cup football game in Bahrain has been interupted due to safety concerns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭midlander12


    I didn't realise the war had spread here already. Martin must have really peed off Trump yesterday.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭midlander12


    A Qatari gas field attacked now. Bonkers stuff. Ironically it looked like Qatar was on the point of ending its entente with Iran and its ancillaries, and now the US and Israel have put their lifeblood in jeopardy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    No-one needs to march though?

    Israel has the latest in airborne weaponry. They bombed Gaza into rubble, are currently doing the same to Beirut and pounding the gas field in Iran. They are well able to wage war at a distance.

    Geography doesn't really come into it. Especially when you have nuclear weapons and the ability to kill people far far away with pagers.

    The use of a phrase like "a horrifying geography" is exactly what you'd expect from an Israeli Govt. Spokesperson or the IDF.

    If you were making this argument a couple of hundred years ago, I doubt anyone would disagree. But in 2026 its nonsensical and pure Hasbara.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    The assessment of Israel's geography as terrible is not mine - it comes from external sources. See the video I posted and then remind us how Israel can wage war with and occupy Turkey or Kuwait or God knows where else, when it has a miniscule population and core heartlands on indefensible lowland coastal plains.

    And even if they wanted to or could (again no reason to believe either) how exactly would 7.2 million people would run such a vast empire?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The assessment of Israel's geography as terrible is not mine - it comes from external sources.

    Yes, but you posted it so presumably agree with it and find it credible. No?

    I agree that Israel taking on Turkey and countries far afield then annexing it seems ridiculous.

    But, Israel is well able to wage war on Iran. They won't put boots on the ground but they will flatten it.

    Closer to home though, Israel has illegally taken land from the Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. It has waged war on Gaza - it still occupies more than 50% of it.

    It has illegally taken Golan and other parts of Syria.

    It is currently re-invading Lebanon (boots on the ground) and has threatened to take everything south of the Litani.

    And just back to Gaza - it's very clear how Israel can terrorise 2 million people, kill over 70,000 of them and subjugate the rest. Something they've been doing for decades.

    Gaza wasn't called an "open air prison" for nothing.

    And for such a minuscule population, how come they are top of the leaderboard for killing journalists in the last two years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The gas field is also shared with Qatar, supposedly a US ally.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Prior to Gaza, long term data shows the ratio of deaths to be about 20 Palestinians to 1 Israeli.

    For Gaza over the last 2 years, the ratio is at least 60:1

    I've not seen any numbers for Lebanon but I'd imagine it's circa the 20:1 mark. Could be up to 60:1 mark soon enough though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Yes, though the assessment is not mine, I do agree with it.

    As for Israel's territorial claims and attacks, there is a rationale for each:

    • The West Bank: Israel believes control of this is necessary to protect its vulnerable coastal plain.
    • The Golan Heights: Again, Israel seized these for strategic reasons; in war, heights offer an easy firing position on lowlands beneath - there's a reason why every belligerent in every war in history would prefer not to "fight an uphill battle"
    • South Lebanon: Israel is interested in this territory because Hezbollah operates there and has done for some time.
    • Iran: the Ayatollah's regime has been the nexus for terrorism against Israel and the source of funding, arms, co-ordination etc for Hamas, Hezbollah and militant Houthis attacking ships in the Red Sea. The Ayatollahs' desire for a Shia Crescent, their manufacture of large amounts of highly enriched uranium and their stated objective of "Death to Israel" outlines why Israel regards itself as having casus belli against the Iranian regime, and an obvious vital interest in its destruction.

    They're not attacking Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey or Kuwait, and despite the conspiracy theories being floated about "Greater Israel" they have no interest in doing so. That's because these countries are not threatening them and Israel has nothing to gain by starting a fight with them. Quite the opposite, in fact.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,282 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The violence and destruction is so senseless I am convinced this is boys with toys for the most part. All these super brilliant weapons… we gotta play with them!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,643 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Interesting that you give a "rationale" for the West Bank.

    Everyone else calls it "illegal occupation". And the ICJ agreed last year telling Israel to leave all occupied land and pay reparations.

    Also interesting that you give a "rationale" for Israeli attacks.

    Perhaps you could give the Israeli "rationale" for executing 12 medics and burying them and their vehicles in the sand?

    Or perhaps the "rationale" for using a 60 ton Merkava Battle Tank with a crew of four to murder a five year old girl?

    Or the "rationale" for the IDF setting their dog on a boy in Gaza who died later, all alone? He had Down's Syndrome.

    Or the "rationale" for the neonates who the IDF left to decompose in their incubators after they bombed the hospital?

    There is absolutely no "rationale" for what Israel does in exactly the same way that there is no "rationale" for the extermination of 6 million Jews.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    You'd have to question why Israel bombed that Iranian gas field. They are not stupid. They know that the likely response from Iran would be to attack GCC hydrocarbon resources in response. That leads me to the conclusion that they want this chaos. They don't want any off ramps being taken. I can only assume that they think that this helps them pursue their goals, which in this case seems to be be prolonging this conflict for as long as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Demonstrably, Israel and her proxies are the aggressors in most of the conflicts in the middle east



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Perhaps the aim is to prompt retaliation by Iran on the gulf states and draw them into the conflict, creating internecine Sunni/shia conflict throughout the Middle East.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    They want Iran wrecked + blasted IMO so it'll be decades rebuilding any military power than can threaten Israel after.

    They don't have conventional air-power to do the job and need the US, so Trump (and US military) has to be kept engaged and fighting away until that is achieved IMO.

    They don't care about "regime change" as much. They don't mind much who rules over a heap of ash, in fact either a civil war, or more incompetent religious fools and fanatics as leaders would be better. Wrecking Iran is the main goal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


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    Has Trump come to the same conclusion and so he's now thinking outside the box?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,170 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I am reminded of a quote from one of the most eminently quotable political treatises of the 20th century, Dune.

    He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing

    The Iranians will destroy the infrastructure on Kharg rather than see it outside of their control.

    They will also do their utmost to target every piece of oil & gas infrastructure they can hit within the Gulf.

    I wrote the above a few days ago.
    To highlight the simple fact that any attack on the Iranian's Oil & Gas infrastructure, be it at Kharg or anywhere else.
    Would see Iran retaliate in kind and with as much force as they can muster against the GCC states own Oil & Gas infrastructure.
    That the combination of existential threat and long term economic drag would see the IRGC & Ayatollahs impose the same damage across the Gulf.

    So in response to the Israeli strikes on South Pars field, the Iranians have struck hard at Qatar and elsewhere.
    https://x.com/i/status/2034373083717599405



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Oil and Gas prices are going to go through the roof. Buckle up. I have a friend who filled 5 of those very large canisters with diesel. He was going to buy an oil tank just to store diesel for his car. He thinks there will be fuel shortages. I don't think so myself as Ireland will always be able to buy at the higher prices. Some countries will struggle to do so though.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,615 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's actually a war crime to attack energy infrastructure (as it is clearly there to provide energy to the public and all types of civilian consumers, not the military).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    You forgot to mention taking control of Venezuelan oil and deciding the leader of the country. Were they oversights by you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Europe needs a major rethink about its energy policy. The German decision to scrap nuclear generation just as first Russian and now Middle East energy becomes less secure was an historic blunder.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    For the first time since Israel attacked Iran we're starting to see media reports from Israel re casualties and injured. Has the media omerta been finally broken? If so will we get confirmation of whether Bibi is alive or dead?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Tulsi Gabbard, the director of US National Intelligence, said that the United States intelligence community had assessed that Iran was not rebuilding its nuclear enrichment capabilities following US and Israeli attacks last year.

    The revelation on Wednesday appeared to undercut one of President Donald Trump’s key justifications for joining Israel in launching the latest war against Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    If someone in the IDF deliberately targets a civilian for no military reason, i.e. just for s***s and giggles, then I have no interest in defending them. Same for the other stories in this or another thread about the prisoners being mistreated. There's no justification for that.

    It doesn't change the fact that threeball's map of Greater Israel - which you thanked - is a load of nonsense, as Israel's strategic posture is well known, and that they have nothing to gain by attacking Turkiye or Kuwait just about anyone else on that absurd map. It doesn't change the fact that Israel does not wage war or claim territory without a very good reason.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,615 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The terrorist state seem to be under the impression it can get away with 'doing a Gaza' on Beirut and Tehran, but they are forgetting there are western reporters and camera crews in both cities.



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