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Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 994 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    The current situation in the ME has the potential to put the entire global economy into free fall, diesel and petrol expected to go over €2 a litre, kero for home fuel went up over 50% after last weekend, god knows where jet fuel will go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Where did I invent the goal posts? You made the claim, nobody set you a challenge with any goalposts.

    Your idea was to build a new international, in lieu of expanding Dublin. So obviously a Donegal or Faranfore sized airport is not equivalent.
    5m was simply an easy benchmark that's where Cork is aiming. Realistically that two small to do what you are claiming.
    The expansion of expansion of DUB you are arguing against is 8-12m. A new airport to replace that load would really need to be around 10m. I think 1.5b is wildly optimistic. (the expansion of DUB costs more than that).

    Kastelli airport will easily come in under that, with 10 million final capacity.

    Easily? I'd take that bet in an instant. As I said previously don't confuse initial cost estimates to actual final costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭jwm121


    Yes the north does count because a large portion of those people use Dublin Airport. This thread is for Dublin Airport infrastructure not let’s close Dublin Airport so Singapore Airlines starts direct flights to Shannon. Go somewhere else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,920 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    And perhaps place the said people on ‘ignore’.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,273 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Really not sure what point you are failing to make, but a bus and a coach are not the same thing.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    As always on boards, the advice is to "not feed the troll"
    Moderator warning has been issued and PM with explantion has been exchanged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭arrianalexander


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    Lounges update



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Excellent, will be flying out on April 21st. Look forward to checking out this Phoenix Lounge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭jwm121


    Why is every headline on Dublin Airport today media giving so much voice to opposition on the cap. There’s absolutely nothing about the benefits of getting rid of it for everyone on the island and the damage it will cause everyone if it gets enforced. These opposition arguments are ridiculous…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    If you are referring to the pre-legislative scrutiny hearings today in the Oireachtas, that's the democratic process in action. The Committee is giving a range of parties a hearing, including those with whom many here probably disagree.

    This is the transcript of the first session, on 4 March, involving DOT officials.

    https://www.oireachtas.ie/ga/debates/debate/joint_committee_on_transport/2026-03-04/3/



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    I think see an article (might have been Newstalk) with quotes from the spokesperson for "Childrens Future Ireland" or similar. She was waffling about protecting future generations rom climate change.
    Im all in favour of a climate change strategy and support Green intiatives, but she might want to worry about housing, health and employmeny for our kids first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,502 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    How does expanding the passenger cap so more people can go on cheap holidays to the Canaries, while Michael O Leary pockets the profits help build more houses for our kids???


    Are you suggesting the more flights in and oity of Ireland will suddenly mean our kids will have houses to live in???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭dublin12367


    Wow. Some pretty embarrassing questions / solutions put forward there by some TDs/ members - exposing their lack of understanding on the topic or perhaps a hidden agenda (or not so hidden in some cases).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭jwm121


    According to that committee meeting the flight paths are affecting hundreds of thousands of families.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Not at all what I was implying. Any suggestion of that is quite the stretch.

    I was trying to point out that ranting about increased flights in/out of Dublin being bad for the future health of children is a little bit hyberbolic when our children are facing problems right now around education, housing and health.
    I would like to know if that lady is also ranting about farming, manufacturing, data centres, shipping and road transport too? ie, sectors which contribute more to anthromorphic climate change than aviation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 94 ✭✭DrivingSouth


    There's a reason why the eu has freedom of movement of people as a central pillar. And it wasn't because the Germans wanted more sunbeds to put towels on. It's because that's a necessary driving force behind economic development.

    But the reality of freedom of movement is not just is it technically possible or have we removed barriers. But how easy is it to be here and stay in touch with home. So the more flights and destinations we have (as an island nation), the more people see being here as a feasible long term option, therefore they come and become the engine behind our continued economic growth.

    If you broke down the passengers through Dublin into business, holidays (not to home) and visiting home/migrating in or out, I would say the third cohort is the majority.

    When is enough enough? Well that's really when are we going to outgrow capitalism, and I can't speak knowledgeably about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭jwm121


    The Oireachtas meetings have had a lot of opposition speakers talking about the north runway SID flight paths. But does that really have anything to do with this bill? Whether the bill is passed or not flights will still take that departure path. I don't see the relevance and the point with so much conversation around it. Maybe daa are laughing afterwards because they know none of that was relevant and they are more likely to side with passing the legislation? It'll be good to see Michael go in tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    He will have a few good soundbites, no doubt, but, as for accuracy, it's always useful to factcheck MOL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    This cap is costing billions allegedly... that could be spent on public transport to offset some or all pf the emissions etc... its pathetic. The Americans should stop entry to aer lingus, watch how quick the cap would be dealt with ... the way they could do what they wanted, when they wanted under the covid dictatorship at breakneck speed...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,628 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    So you’d rather that they didn’t pass the legislation through the normal legislative scrutiny process and just bypass it and potentially leave it open to being challenged in the courts?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    Well said. We don't have US-style Executive Orders yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭dublin12367


    It’s going to be challenged in the courts anyway. The Transport committee are on recess next week with more meetings to take place on their return. A report from the committee sessions won’t be issued until May. The poor souls think they are doing great by having 2 meetings a week to “speed up the process”. They are being dragged along kicking and screaming, at a snails pace as usual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    The parliamentary process is how laws are made in a democracy, imperfect though it is - and I don't disagree that the Oireachtas needs to be reformed in lots of ways. When laws are being drafted (which is a very exacting process), this is done in such a way as to minimise the risk of a successful legal challenge, i.e. of course they may be challenged, but the aim is to avoid errors or loopholes that would see them readily struck down. Also, Ministers can exercise powers are granted to them by law but, if they go beyond that, it is quite likely that whatever they do will be successfully challenged in Court. As for the COVID pandemic, that was truly exceptional and things were done legislatively that had to be quickly unwound once the justification for them no longer existed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,628 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It may well be challenged, but there is far less chance of a challenge in the courts being successful if the full parliamentary scrutiny process happens.

    Drafting new legislation (aside from the emergency public health measures when there was a potential imminent threat to life) is not something that ever happens in a matter of weeks, and people need to be realistic in their expectations of how fast that process takes.

    This can’t be done by Ministerial Order, it has to go through the full legislative process of drafting a bill and then bringing it through the two Houses of the Oireachtas. Unfortunately that does have the consequence of a significant amount of hot air being expelled, but that’s democracy for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭dublin12367


    I’m not disputing that, what I am disputing is 16 months after this government were elected they are only now holding 2 sessions a week with stakeholders over a 6 week period and breaking for recess in between. Meetings with all stakeholders could have been facilitated within a week if they actually put their minds to it and wanted to speed the process up considering the urgency surrounding the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,628 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Well firstly, there actually wasn’t a government elected by the Dáil until the end of January last year.

    As I understand it, a substantial amount of time during the intervening period was spent working with the Attorney General’s office in trying to establish what could legally be done. This kind of legislation is pretty unprecedented.

    While you don’t hear about that in the press, there were things being done in the background.

    I get your frustration, but the Oireachtas does take time to pass legislation, no matter how much people want it to happen.

    The TDs have other duties apart from sitting on the Committees such as attending the Dáil chamber to ask questions, deal with their constituency work etc. - you just have to be patient.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    The Government and the Oireachtas are not the same thing. Oireachtas Committees determine their schedule of business and the Committee and its members will have other things going on rather than just one Bill to think about. Even co-ordinating diaries with the various parties who want to have a say will be a task in itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Economics101


    The €billions cost of the CAP is not money that would otherwise go to public transport. Its money which represents lost revenues to the DAA and airlines, and which would otherwise go to shareholders, suppliers and employees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    Btw is there an independent source (not a vested interest) in relation to how these billions are arrived at? Not sure I've seen one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    True, I realise it isn't all going into government coffers. But it has to be costing a serious amount, even in relation to government tax take...

    I'm seriously disappointed that trump didn't order MM to sort it immediately...



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