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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    There was a lot of traffic distruption for the bus routes in Sandyford last night due to a collision on the slip road near the old Beacon Hotel entrance, which is now the Beacon Clinic near the M50. I just looked up the pictures of the tailbacks in Sandyford on reddit this morning. They are quite extensive with them lasting for a number of hours when people were trying to get home from work during the evening rush hour. There was also horse racing going in Leopardstown Racecourse as well.

    There was one person on the Dublin page on Reddit who said that it took them over 3 hours to get home from work between Sandyford & Tallaght via a detour on the Luas in town last night. If that one person wasn't even able to take the S8 bus home from Sandyford to Tallaght or even other bus routes like the 11 or 114 either because of the heavy tailbacks in that area; then people using those buses would have assumed something was very wrong while going through that part of Dublin last night.

    Was the 47 bus hit with heavy delays going through Sandyford last night as well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭halfpastneverr


    Guards had the road from corner of Beacon Hotel up to M50 junction closed, so the S8 couldn't access stop 11948. Was a lot of people at this stop because of the roadworks in the industrial estate having the stops on Blackthorn Road out of action. The S8 drivers seemed unsure where to go and also weren't stopping at the 114 stop opposite Balally Shopping Centre, when they eventually cleared the crossroads having been forced to head straight instead of left. Nightmare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭BusGuy


    Where is this new bus stop next to Balally on the 161?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    https://maps.app.goo.gl/fcGicL12bSGz1m1V7?g_st=ac

    Directly across from the Luas stop - It used to be a set down area by the looks of it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭George White


    I had to use the form fillout to ask why they axed the email, and they had to ask me again because they did not know that they'd had an email for the help service beforehand (!). And when I asked them why they email was axed, the reply was,

    '


     We are contacting you to confirm the outcome of your query, reference number 638474. We would like to inform you that we handle queries for multiple transport operators. We utilise an online form for all enquiries related to these transport operators. You can submit the form online for any enquiries regarding the following transport operators.'

    That is not an answer.

    I asked why was the email axed? Instead, you just tell me, 'we use this to handle queries dfor mutliple operators'. But why isn't there an email, an email that I can send using my email address rather than fiddling with a very janky and sometimes hard to use interface.

    I wait three days for an answer, and just get told what I already know. With the old Dublin Bus service, you got an answer in at most ten minutes. Now, are staff not allowed to give you an actual reason and explanation why the email was canned? Is it omerta in TFI circles?

    '



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,382 ✭✭✭Daith


    Has anyone heard of changes to the 40e. Some of the bus drivers have said there might be changes but all seems a bit vague. I will ask one of them when it's a less busy commute hour



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,628 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Well the obvious place to look is on the Dublin Bus website…

    https://www.dublinbus.ie/news/revised-times-on-routes-40d-and-40e

    An extra departure at 07:15 from Tyrrelstown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,382 ✭✭✭Daith


    Thanks. It would formalize the additional service that runs along the 7am bus, is later, but doesn't get routed through Cabra. So probably a downgrade here for me timing wise unfortunately but obviously benefit others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,628 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,382 ✭✭✭Daith


    In fairness, how would we know? It could equally be the actual replacement. The other bus doesn't appear on the real time display. This is when Dublin Bus could be clearer in the message.

    But I will ask Dublin Bus sure



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,628 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    You'll find out on the 22nd March surely?

    Is it that big a deal that you need to know in advance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,382 ✭✭✭Daith


    I don't want to find out on March 23rd that the bus I normally get isn't going to show up? I think it's fairly reasonable to want to know how a change in a bus service would impact you beforehand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,628 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    You seemed to suggest that there was very little time between the relief departure that isn’t on RTPI and this one - that’s why I made the comment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,273 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    If you try the TFI journey planner on the 20th and the 23rd does it show the change?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    A bigger change is 40D which will now loop around Hollywoodrath before going to Tyrrelstown terminus at the hotel. New 40E and 40D timetables, effective from 22nd of March are published on the Dublin Bus website for nearly three weeks.

    Not a huge, but still a difference that there no longer be 40D 10 min and 20 min gaps during peak times Mon-Fri - will be every 15 min.

    And Sunday evening 40D will be every 60 min instead of 55 min.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    Bustimes.org indeed does since this morning, when the stop times for any date from 22nd of March are chosen.

    Not sure about TFI journey planner as I don't use it, but I guess it should be the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,382 ✭✭✭Daith


    I do wonder who does the timings for buses. There's no way the 40e is getting from Finglas West to Broombridge in 10 mins! The Ratoath road from Finglas to Cabra is painful at that time of the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    I don't use buses peak time so can't comment on that, but you could check individual departures on bustimes.org and see how long it actually took for the 40E to reach Broombridge Station... I think it varies, depending on school days.

    Mon-Fri 8:07 am from Tyrrelstown given Finglas West to Broombridge 16 min and if the same bus leaves Broombridge back to Tyrrelstown at 9am, then there are extra 6 min for layover. So roughly 20 min. I think, that should do.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭George White


    Got a letter from the Transport Minister's secretary in response to my letter to him complaining about the TFI help centre.

    Told me the Department of Transport can't do anything and told me to send another letter back through the Help Centre.

    All they are doing is keeping up a bureaucratic nightmare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,740 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    seems to be the point of all these quangos, remove any accountability from the relevant department (while duplicating all the backend positions and costs) and make it as hard as possible for people to actually get help.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭lateconnection


    I was on the C1 from Ringsend Bus Garage to Aston Quay on Friday night around 7pm. It took nearly fifteen minutes to travel from Pearse Street Garda Station to Aston Quay. Traffic was horrific. Could have walked it far quicker. 

    Just thinking out loud, but would it be possible to build a bus underpasses at certain pinch points on the quays? Surely Busconnects needs to examine city centre property measures like this (separate to DCC’s traffic plan)

    On the southside, you could build one from just before the Rosie Hackett Bridge to resurface on Aston Quay. Buses and taxis could avoid the congestion of the O’Connell Bridge area. East-west buses using an underpass on the quays segregates them from north-south buses and the Luas travelling from Westmoreland to O’Connell Street. They could do with another at the Usher’s Quay/Bridge Street junction.

    On the northside, have one from Arran Quay to Inns Quay and another from Bachelors Walk to Eden Quay just before the Rosie Hackett Bridge. This would allow the C Spine to turn into the Rosie Hackett Bridge

    I’m sure this could be achieved with safe gradients etc. Some bus stops would need to be moved. But it would easily shave about 10-15 mins off journey times for buses using the quays.

    Physical segregation like building a kerb or small island to separate the bus lanes for general traffic lanes on Pearse Street/Tara Street would also help. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,552 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Was there an unusual reason for the delay? There's bus lanes the whole way so a simple matter of enforcing them using off the shelf anpr technology could eliminate that delay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭john boye


    I don't know if it was the problem on Friday evening but buses can be stuck at the lights at the Erne Street junction for the guts of ten minutes in the evening while cars turning from Erne Street onto Pearse St block access to the bus lane through multiple green light cycles. It's ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭PlatformNine


    Kinda related to cgcsb's question about there being something else happening, but was there a reason the bus went via Pease St Garda Station and not Tara St?

    Because most routes don't use that route for a good reason. Going from Pearse to Westmooreland is a very difficult movement and is crossing a lot of other paths. Then the turn into the Quays isn't helping either as it's very tight and up until recently they had removed them. But the C-Spine specifically shouldn't be because it would be skipping the stop on Tara St.

    If you just misspoke and meant Tara, then that is going to likely be down to the horrible driver behaviour at the Pearse St-Tara at junction. No driver obeys the yellow box, it's one of the worst junctions in Dublin that I know of. Because of it buses often can't make the turn onto Tara St and get stuck there for a bit waiting for cars to move.

    The real solution is a combination of better enforcement and the DCC transport plan traffic changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭BusGuy


    Anyone here know why there is a road marked bus stop outside Laughanstown Luas stop? Is any future BusConnects route due to pass there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭dublinman1990




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭BusGuy


    No, because you cant access it by car, and the road was only built in 2022 or so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    The whole Cherrywood expansion was designed with bus infrastructure in mind, even though no routes at the time were officially planned to utilise it. As can bee seen already, they have begun to take this into consideration with the L14 being extended to terminate by Beckett Park on Castle Street.
    I would imagine there are plans in the background to add a new route/alter the proposed L22 routing, especially when more housing gets built out in the area and more of the roads begin to open up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭BusGuy


    Well, I can't imagine 4 things that really confuse me.

    1: Why are some passengers (including me) who live in the N11 southbound area, who want to use the Laughanstown Luas stop, required to do a full hiking trip and are expected to climb such a big hill just to use a simple tram? Like that is so stupid, and yet the NTA is too dumb to realise that a major connection between the E1 + Luas could be established, and yet, nothing has been done. This is tiring for many passengers, and I'm shocked that there haven't been at least some additions to this "stop" in phases 5 or 6.

    2: The E1 is mixed, and yet there cannot be a single bloody bus (and tram) in Dublin that you don't have to barge into people just to get out. This issue needs to be fixed ASAP.

    3: It's shocking to see that for commuters that are living across the N11 who want to use the Luas that don't want to climb up a hill, have to waste their time getting an E1 first, then interchange for a L14 to Cherrywood I believe, and then god knows what happens (like a delay), then your better off getting the E1, then S6, then S4 to Milltown Luas. The whole Cabinteely area is a DISASTER for people to go to the city.

    4: And also, a connection via the DART could also happen, but you also have to waste your travel time just to get to Bray or Shankill station. This is obscure, and no doubt I'll be complaining to the NTA about why there isn't a single bus that goes to Laughanstown Luas. There have been 2 phases based around the southside of Dublin, and yet Laughanstown remains the loneliest Luas stop (Green line) in Dublin.

    (Don't even get me started on the 2 closed stops along the Green line. 1 new stop for the DART (Woodbrook), but yet a stop that has been closed for many years can't even be used properly?)

    And also, can I just add that since Luas has a new operator, and there have been mentions of a new tram order (from an Irish press agency where I got the info from), where will Luas go after that? I mean, I'm not saying the whole passenger chaos will be fixed anytime soon anyway, but I have noticed a handful of people when there's a disruption of the Luas (like a medical emergency), seem to walk on the tracks. I saw this myself a couple of times.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,122 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    On the Luas part, the new operator shouldn’t lead to any changes to Luas, at least not from the passenger perspective.

    The new trams are primarily to replace the trams on the Red Line, which are approaching end of life, but I believe it is also a framework agreement that could lead to extra orders, to add capacity to the Red Line and for new lines and extensions like the Lucan Luas, Cork Luas, Poolbeg extension and maybe Finglas extension, etc.



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