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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,369 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    If we're being serious, it's clear that this Ireland side and Andy Farrell places a very heavy emphasis on culture/togetherness/bond or whatever you want to call it. They probably see that as one of the main reasons why they've been so wildly successful in an Ireland context.

    Makes complete sense that they'd want to go to the well one more time for a departing player like a POM/Healy/Earls/Murray/Aki etc. Lads who've been so pivotal in driving that culture of success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭ersatz


    It's interesting that Scotland gave up 21 points in the last 15 minutes against France. Yes, the game was won and they were out of sight but they looked absolutely gassed in that period and France ran in some scores you'd be embarrassed to see in a U16 game. The third 1/4 was an insane level for Scotland to get to and they'd need 1 or 2 of those quarters to beat Ireland on Saturday. More power to them if they can reach those heights but on past performance I just don't see how Scotland back that up.hey have n't done anything like it for decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,626 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    How well is that approach going to serve come the WC when Aki is gone and we can't rely on that in a crunch match? I'd rather we reward form and give a younger player an opportunity to play in a high intensity match, so that they might be better prepared when we need them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,369 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    The World Cup doesn't matter. This is about the squad and acknowledging what got you there in the first place. It sets the tone and reinforces the bond between players.

    That also has knock on benefits further down the line. It's encouraging/comforting that you know your contribution is acknowledged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    You seem to take absolutely zero joy out of the team doing well, so yes, maybe you do hate Ireland and want them to lose. It's entirely feasible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    I do worry for posters who permanently seem to be glass half empty and overly negative about everything. That has to seep into their day to day outlook and can’t be a happy way to be. You do hope it’s more of an internet persona thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,626 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Well, I disagree that the WC doesn't matter, but ignoring that, where does this sentimentality end? There's a line where reinforcing a bond and recognizing a player's contribution becomes rewarding poor form. What message does it send to a younger player, who's playing better, when Aki is parachuted in to get a cap? It doesn't make the team "better", having someone in poor form in the 23. Would we be better for having Henderson or Herring in the 23 for example?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭TRC10


    They probably see that as one of the main reasons why they've been so wildly successful in an Ireland context.

    I’m not sure if I’d say Ireland have been “wildly successful” in recent years. Successful, maybe. 2 6N in 6 years for Farrell isn’t bad. But I don’t think you can use the word “wildly” when we consider ourselves a “top 4” nation yet we’ve never got passed a 1/4 final of a World Cup.

    Out of curiosity, would you say France have also been “wildly successful” over the last 6/7 years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,070 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Happy to do so. In the 6 Nations 2025, in his 5 games he carried for 60 Post Contact Metres. I would suggest that McCloskey's 102 m in 3 games compares well. Apologies for trying - unsuccessfully - to be amusing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,184 ✭✭✭typhoony


    Casey hasnt done a whole lot wrong but i do agree that he doesnt offer anything in terms of around the edges and physically if he gets held up it's turnover ball. Would prefer if Doak was given meaningfull gametime as he does offer a bit more than Casey



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,184 ✭✭✭typhoony


    I think the other Murray is a better lineout operator



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,674 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,511 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    McCluskey has probably been Irish player of the Six Nations soo far, and Gary Ringrose has been really good too, but I don't think Bundee Aki will weaken the team if he comes on as a replacement, he might be in the twilight of his career now but still has plenty to offer for 20mins or soo. Also it changes the picture a bit for the Scottish defence if we are in search of a score. The fact that Bundee is well rested might work in his favour too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Just seems to be like the classic Irish rugby case of holding onto a player for too long and not blooding a replacement until it’s too late. Seen it a million times before



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,232 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    I'd completely disagree with this - for Ireland to be the most succesful six nations team over a 10 or 15 year period, to reach number one or two in the world, to do what they did in New Zealand - its incredible success. The whole world cup quarter final thing is completely overblown.

    A sporting analogy would be Sean Kelly not winning the Tour De France. So what. Still a far greater cyclist than Roche over the course of his career. But if all you know about cycling is Tour De France then you will rate Roche higher.

    England made a semi-final last two world cups. So what. Ireland has been a better team.

    And to state the obvious - France and England are ten times bigger. We should be nowhere near competing with them - and to be honest the way things are going I dont think we will be in the future. In 10 or 20 years time, the six nations will probably rotate between England, Italy and France.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭50HX


    Indeed it does compare well & thanks for digging out that info.

    I'm not pi1ssing on Stu Mc just gave an opinion on why Aki is on the bench & in his prime he's a better carrier than Mc who has been our best player in the championship by a mile



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,056 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    can someone point me to where Farrell says Aki was picked so that he could have a nice send-off?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    He didn't and retirements are always announced in advance, I fully expect Bundee will be around for the RWC next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Both can be true, Ireland's success has been incredible and they've backed it up over 2 or 3 different teams at this stage, AND not getting past the 1/4 puts a black mark again our record at the same time. Wales and England have been to semis over the last 3 competitions with teams we handily dispatched, yet we've never made it. At this stage the 1/4 final is similar to never having beaten the ABs up to 2016, or winning another slam before 09, something that definitely needs to be overcome if Ireland are to be a genuine top table team for the next couple decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Jizique


    RWC is in 18 months when he will be 37, he kept our best player of this tournament out of the team for the last decade



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭50HX


    Tbf I think Schmidt never really saw him as a fit for his teams...he only got a few caps under Schmidt, Farrell capped him much more even before the AI & now



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,312 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    You are confusing the definition of swan song to somehow not being able to do the job asked of you, when the actual definition of swan song is actually the last exceptional achievement.

    Personally I have no issue with bundee covering the center for the last 15-20 minutes if needed. He's coming in completely fresh and rearing to go, which is a rare thing for a 35 yo inside center.

    It was said Henshaw was too old and slow last November and he showed that to be untrue. Lowe was said to have been washed up before this competition and he's shown that to be untrue.

    Bundee absolutely can do what's asked of him on Saturday, and if that's his last appearance in green then that in itself will also lift his team mates performances.

    Luckily the sport we enjoy is played my human people and not robots.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,674 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    "Bundee absolutely can do what's asked of him"

    If only he was the same with referees 😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭sliabh 1956


    Well said Tombo I was just about to write a reply to that original post. The reason that we should be proud of our Rugby team is that we are performing away above where we should be as Tombo just explained . We are an amazing Nation in producing athletes of all discipline, just look at all the success we have achieved over the years just this week our Jockeys and Trainers are flying the flag in Cheltenham . I first saw Ireland play in 1967 against Australia which we won actually and for years after we struggled to find winning on regular basis difficult we were always able to win a one off game against one of the leading Nations . So to compare those years to what we have today is indeed hugely successful. Im forever telling my sons lads ye never had it so good when they moan and complain about Ireland not winning World Cups and Grand Slams on a consistent basis.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,312 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I think it says more about the age profile of posters thinking we are under performing on the world stage because they never experienced the bad old days.

    I remember a time when a win against France was unachievable, when a win against Scotland was rarer than hens teeth. These days a Scottish win is expected and a French win not a surprise.

    We should be celebrating being in that position

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭Tommybojangles


    The Maddest thing that has come out of the last few weeks is people trying to soft launch the idea that it is some kind of wild miscarriage of justice that Bundee was 1st choice ahead of Mcloskey for the majority of his career



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭crossman47


    You cite Wales and England getting to semis as a success. They didn't go on to win so its no better than going out at QF stage. That is a totally overblown so called failure. Ireland have been more successful than we could ever have hoped in recent decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭Tommybojangles




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,674 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    A lot of Irish rugby fans (including myself) are post professional era so unless you are keen on sports history and stats the idea that Scotland were once considered a bigger better team than us is unbelievable.



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