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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Ok. Thanks I missed that.

    Maybe he's on to something.

    Dont know enough about it but I would think its a bit of a stretch to say Doris would be causing the locks arses to go up in the air!

    Definite issues with alignment with the irish scrum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Murray is probably the closest to Ryan stylistically, in that he's a bit of a 4.5. My concern is that his carrying, breakdown, and tackling stats are unremarkable in the URC and I'm not sure he'll be able to win collisions at this level. The optimistic take is that he's still quite young for a lock, has good experience for his age, good size, and is a strong lineout forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭50HX


    I think Aki is in for his ball carring ability to get over the gain line.

    As good as Stu has been he diesnt get the yardage the likes of an Aki does, he looks to offload as soon as rather than gaining another few yards.

    Either that or its a swansong for him at home.

    Murray has been knocking around a few squads I think & is clearly seen in an early Joe Mc type in that they like what they see.

    Whatever happens on Sat the injuries have been a god send this championship in terms of getting to see others getting meaningful game time.

    Both centres are my concern re depth going forward & obviously 10 as well but all in when it's over Sat I think as a whole we can be happy with the development of a few & redemption opportunities for others, namely Stockdale & Frawley



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,924 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Make no bones about it, it's a swan song for bundee.

    It will also be an important emotional moment on the game when he comes on, for both fans and players.

    If we're defending a lead in the last 10 and you've jack, stu, bundee, Jamie and ciaran hitting you back time after time in midfield you'll get disheartened



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,053 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    You must have been watching the wrong games if you think McCloskey doesn't make metres and just offloads. He frequently was seen dragging 2 and 3 tackling players for metre after metre. Perhaps you had a few little naps during the games.

    Based on stats after the opening three games of the 2026 Six Nations, Stuart McCloskey has been a top performer in post-contact metres (PCM), ranking 2nd in the whole tournament with ……102 post-contact metres.

    Metres made 258

    You have been helped. 😉



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭50HX


    Apt username for the tone you use 😉

    I didnt say he doesnt make meters. I was referring to Farrell seeing him as a potential ball carrier off the bench

    Can you help me some more so & get an average of Aki's post contact meters say in the previous 3 years.

    I will look in again after my nap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭TRC10


    I don’t think we should be selecting a team with the goal of giving guys a swan song.

    But maybe that means I hate Ireland and want them to lose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,403 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Giving a guy a swan song? Or trying to use all the tools available to you to get a performance out of the whole team? I’d suggest it’s the later.

    I don’t particularly like Aki on the bench as a 23 but Farrell has form for getting a reaction from players. The players and crowd will be aware this could be the last time we see Aki in green. That can be used to generate a bit more positive energy on the pitch and in the stands.

    As someone who was in Cardiff last year, you could feel the mood in the stands and see the impact on the pitch when he came on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,012 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Well you've gone out of your way to shite on the team for years.

    So yeah you probably do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,012 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    If we're being serious, it's clear that this Ireland side and Andy Farrell places a very heavy emphasis on culture/togetherness/bond or whatever you want to call it. They probably see that as one of the main reasons why they've been so wildly successful in an Ireland context.

    Makes complete sense that they'd want to go to the well one more time for a departing player like a POM/Healy/Earls/Murray/Aki etc. Lads who've been so pivotal in driving that culture of success.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭ersatz


    It's interesting that Scotland gave up 21 points in the last 15 minutes against France. Yes, the game was won and they were out of sight but they looked absolutely gassed in that period and France ran in some scores you'd be embarrassed to see in a U16 game. The third 1/4 was an insane level for Scotland to get to and they'd need 1 or 2 of those quarters to beat Ireland on Saturday. More power to them if they can reach those heights but on past performance I just don't see how Scotland back that up.hey have n't done anything like it for decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    How well is that approach going to serve come the WC when Aki is gone and we can't rely on that in a crunch match? I'd rather we reward form and give a younger player an opportunity to play in a high intensity match, so that they might be better prepared when we need them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,012 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    The World Cup doesn't matter. This is about the squad and acknowledging what got you there in the first place. It sets the tone and reinforces the bond between players.

    That also has knock on benefits further down the line. It's encouraging/comforting that you know your contribution is acknowledged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    You seem to take absolutely zero joy out of the team doing well, so yes, maybe you do hate Ireland and want them to lose. It's entirely feasible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,403 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    I do worry for posters who permanently seem to be glass half empty and overly negative about everything. That has to seep into their day to day outlook and can’t be a happy way to be. You do hope it’s more of an internet persona thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Well, I disagree that the WC doesn't matter, but ignoring that, where does this sentimentality end? There's a line where reinforcing a bond and recognizing a player's contribution becomes rewarding poor form. What message does it send to a younger player, who's playing better, when Aki is parachuted in to get a cap? It doesn't make the team "better", having someone in poor form in the 23. Would we be better for having Henderson or Herring in the 23 for example?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭TRC10


    They probably see that as one of the main reasons why they've been so wildly successful in an Ireland context.

    I’m not sure if I’d say Ireland have been “wildly successful” in recent years. Successful, maybe. 2 6N in 6 years for Farrell isn’t bad. But I don’t think you can use the word “wildly” when we consider ourselves a “top 4” nation yet we’ve never got passed a 1/4 final of a World Cup.

    Out of curiosity, would you say France have also been “wildly successful” over the last 6/7 years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,053 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Happy to do so. In the 6 Nations 2025, in his 5 games he carried for 60 Post Contact Metres. I would suggest that McCloskey's 102 m in 3 games compares well. Apologies for trying - unsuccessfully - to be amusing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭typhoony


    Casey hasnt done a whole lot wrong but i do agree that he doesnt offer anything in terms of around the edges and physically if he gets held up it's turnover ball. Would prefer if Doak was given meaningfull gametime as he does offer a bit more than Casey



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭typhoony


    I think the other Murray is a better lineout operator



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,678 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    McCluskey has probably been Irish player of the Six Nations soo far, and Gary Ringrose has been really good too, but I don't think Bundee Aki will weaken the team if he comes on as a replacement, he might be in the twilight of his career now but still has plenty to offer for 20mins or soo. Also it changes the picture a bit for the Scottish defence if we are in search of a score. The fact that Bundee is well rested might work in his favour too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Just seems to be like the classic Irish rugby case of holding onto a player for too long and not blooding a replacement until it’s too late. Seen it a million times before



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    I'd completely disagree with this - for Ireland to be the most succesful six nations team over a 10 or 15 year period, to reach number one or two in the world, to do what they did in New Zealand - its incredible success. The whole world cup quarter final thing is completely overblown.

    A sporting analogy would be Sean Kelly not winning the Tour De France. So what. Still a far greater cyclist than Roche over the course of his career. But if all you know about cycling is Tour De France then you will rate Roche higher.

    England made a semi-final last two world cups. So what. Ireland has been a better team.

    And to state the obvious - France and England are ten times bigger. We should be nowhere near competing with them - and to be honest the way things are going I dont think we will be in the future. In 10 or 20 years time, the six nations will probably rotate between England, Italy and France.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭50HX


    Indeed it does compare well & thanks for digging out that info.

    I'm not pi1ssing on Stu Mc just gave an opinion on why Aki is on the bench & in his prime he's a better carrier than Mc who has been our best player in the championship by a mile



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,789 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    can someone point me to where Farrell says Aki was picked so that he could have a nice send-off?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    He didn't and retirements are always announced in advance, I fully expect Bundee will be around for the RWC next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Both can be true, Ireland's success has been incredible and they've backed it up over 2 or 3 different teams at this stage, AND not getting past the 1/4 puts a black mark again our record at the same time. Wales and England have been to semis over the last 3 competitions with teams we handily dispatched, yet we've never made it. At this stage the 1/4 final is similar to never having beaten the ABs up to 2016, or winning another slam before 09, something that definitely needs to be overcome if Ireland are to be a genuine top table team for the next couple decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭Jizique


    RWC is in 18 months when he will be 37, he kept our best player of this tournament out of the team for the last decade



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭50HX


    Tbf I think Schmidt never really saw him as a fit for his teams...he only got a few caps under Schmidt, Farrell capped him much more even before the AI & now



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