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38kWh Ioniq

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Bizarrely my Ioniq 28 never actually failed to start.

    But did need a new 12 volt.

    With mine I was getting the battery saver warning EVERY time I started up the car.

    So had it changed.

    Would recommend looking up how to manually unlock the drivers door.

    That's even more important than the booster because as I understand it the door won't unlock normally if the 12 volt is totally drained.

    Also for Ioniq newbies - a potential contributer to 12 volt issues on the 28 kwh and I assume the 38 as well.

    Is that if you turn off the car and don't open the door.

    The car doesn't fully power down - you will see the dash still lit up etc and radio still stays on.....

    This draws energy from 12 volt heavily and apparently more then other cars*.

    Your options are

    Open and close the door.

    Let the car powered on fully while sat in it.

    Use the utility mode if the 38 kwh has it.

    Opening and closing the door when wanting to sit in my Ioniq on arrival somewhere is literally the only thing I've done to help the 12 volt.

    *Mk 3 Skoda Superb does the same without 12 volt issues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp


    Interesting, I wasn’t aware of the opening/closing door knack to power down the Ioniq. I always just keep the car powered on when sitting in it as I like to keep the radio on.

    My smax will fully power down automatically after approx 5 min once engine switched on in order to save the 12 volt. A bit of a pain at times but I suppose it’s better than a flat battery



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭zg3409


    It better to just leave the car "on" when sitting waiting etc. Especially if cleaning the car when you may be waking some computers up every time you open a door.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭mr chips


    Same applies in the eNiro - if I'm stopping and waiting in the car for a bit, I know not to actually power off. Means that even in winter, running the cabin heating on a low setting, heated seat etc uses very little juice and the 12v battery stays topped up from the traction battery.

    On a related note - you can press the power button twice in quick succession without pressing the footbrake to switch on all cabin electrics, allowing you to adjust anything you want to such as charge timer, radio, steering wheel heating etc. As my car doesn't have an app, I've done that a few times over the winter when I know I'm only 5-10 minutes from setting off on a trip. However, every time I've done so, the car was still plugged in and charging, meaning that any electricity used was coming from the house mains - bar on one particular morning last month. What this taught me is that the double-press of the power button will switch everything on alright, but not activate the topping up of the 12v battery! We were slightly longer than we expected to be, so the car was running heated seats, steering wheel, rear windscreen defroster and heated cabin air solely from the 12v for about 15 minutes, giving me all sorts of warnings and reduced functionality when I actually got in to set off … for the airport. It was a bit stressful wondering if the car was going to just stop on the way there and cause us to miss our flight. As it turned out, the 40 minute drive was enough to charge it back up and I made sure to leave the jump starter easily accessible inside the car before locking it, just in case. Thankfully we had no issues unlocking or driving home three (frosty) days later, but the possibility of coming back to a dead 12v in the airport car park was at the back of my mind the whole time we were away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 119 ✭✭crazyhorse


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    I bought it alright. The car was fully charged leaving Belfast. I topped up in Mullingar by about 30% thinking I'd have plenty in reserve. At this stage I had approx. 40-50 km extra range over what car said was required. It was motorway driving rest of way home from Mullingar. The extra range disappeared quite quickly and I though I might have to pull in at Kiltullagh but instead I slowed to 90km/hr. Car had 20km (6%) left when a few km from home and went into turtle mode with remaining range disappearing. I didn't notice any power loss and made it home ok. I cut it a bit fine for my first trip but there's learning in that I guess. I won't be trusting the GOM anymore either!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭evftw


    Bjorn Nyland have reported that the Hyundai have a tendency of non-linear charge meter and the low power mode kicks off quite early compared to some other car. If you consider 60% indicated 50% remaining you won't be far off I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Bit of a baptisim of fire! Its generally not terrible but motorway miles it doesn't seem to have a clue. I find looking at efficiency for the trip is the bettery way to get a rough idea of motorway miles. Anything around 19kWh/100km is only 200km

    That's usually how I sanity check the GOM anyways. But I did have a weird situation with the efficiency reading on Wednesday. I left Dublin with 96% and finished up with 21%, so 75% battery. Did 150Km and it claimed a efficiency of 17.5kWh/100km.

    Was a bit worried since that would indicate pretty decent degradation, 17.5kWh/100km using 75% of the battery would indicate using 26.25kWh of a 35kWh capacity.

    But the car took 33kWh of charge from zappi that evening. So assuming a 10% loss from the charger, that would suggest the 100% capacity is ~38kWh

    Efficiency reading seem to be accurate since (and high!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Yes - I always turn the car fully on when hoovering it etc.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,873 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    The car will charge the buffer, does the cars indicated efficiency include AC, in car electrics etc? The 75% battery usage is the most accurate assessment of usable battery



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    yeah it definitely considers at least AC anyways as the figure goes up if you sit in a parked car.

    I dunno about the buffer. In my mind it shouldn't come into the equation as either the buffer was used up as part of the journey and should be considered in efficiency or it was still in the car. I had charged to 100% the day before the trip so buffer should have been full (if it gets charged at all, I always thought the buffer was so you didn't need to charge the cells to their max to get to 100%)

    The figures are a little complicated by the fact they don't include the first 4% off the battery but that's 1.5kWh or even round it up to 2kWh.

    In my mind it doesn't add up that a car that is charged to 100% can use 28kWh (26 from efficiency + 2 being a guess) of power and then take 30kWh(allowing for 10% charger inefficiency) of charge to bring it back to 100%. A difference of 2kWh is over 5% of the battery in the difference.

    The only things I can think of that explain it are:

    • Car incorrectly read SoC at the start of the journey or the end (so I didn't actually use 75% of the battery)
    • Car incorrectly displayed the efficiency
    • Zappi incorrectly measured the energy used
    • There is a difference between charging to 100% on the charger in work and the zappi


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭brophs


    I’m in a similar boat. My own car is clinging on but I’ll likely pick up a 38kWh when the time comes. Can I ask, where did you find it? Usedcars NI? There aren’t a huge number of those cars on there of late. I’ve seen some mention that Facebook groups can have decent bargains.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 119 ✭✭crazyhorse


    Yes, I got mine on usedcarsni. Radius were the sellers. All their sales are ex-lease which is their main business afaik. They have a couple more Ioniqs similar to mine on the site at the moment. I found them very straight to deal with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭brophs


    Cheers. Will keep an eye on them. I’m presuming the usual NI lack of negotiation on price was the case with them, too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 119 ✭✭crazyhorse




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,529 ✭✭✭obi604


    Question, for jump starting the Ioniq 38 from a battery pack, would I attach the positive and negative clamps to the lugs pointed out below or do they need to go on to the bolts instead or does the negative need to go to somewhere in the body (unpainted metal etc)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭evftw


    The negative should be attached last and on a chunky something earthed to chassis away from the battery to minimise the risk of a hydrogen explosion. An explosion triggered by a spark is a very remote possibility but why risk it by connecting directly at the battery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp


    Just wondering if people find the Ioniq 38 has poor traction in general with the traction control kicking in continuously or is it largely tyre related? Mine has new Hankook ventus prime 4 tyres on the front and it will spin the wheels on take off or even accelerating out of a junction with the least provocation.

    I thought my previous Leaf on GY efficient grip tyres was bad enough but the Ioniq is far worse. It’s not like it’s a sports car or anything!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,529 ✭✭✭obi604


    I cant really see a suitable place for the negative on the chassis

    Is it ok to connect the positive clamp to that lug circled above (is this what the lug is there for?) or should the clamp be placed directly on to the nut/bolt of the positive?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭witnessmenow




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,529 ✭✭✭obi604


    grand and for negative, do you use the other little lug circled also?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    i know I'm meant to use a good ground point on the car but I do just use the battery terminal when using the jump pack. I normally use the bolt on the negative. It's all connected up so once you have a good connection on something if should be fine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 lakeowner


    Found the same problem after buying a 38KW last year.
    Any road surface dampness, and needed care accelerating from start, or breaking quickly in the wet.
    Had a few slides and near misses. Started to feel as unsafe as in my previous old bangernomics diesel.

    When I bought the car, it had on the front almost new pair of "Autogreen Sport Chaser SC2" , and rear were a pair of "Michelin Energy Saver", plenty of thread depth. However the front appear to be budget summer tyres, which is probably a problem combination, along with some previous comments that the car doesnt have much front weight.

    Anyway, there were some recommendations here and on reddit for the Ioniq 38KW, to go for the Michelin CrossClimate 2 or 3.
    I got 4 of them fitted a month ago, and no more problems with quick acceleration or quick braking regardless of the weather. Ive not noticed a loss in range, although I think the biggest impact on range is my speed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭evftw


    Like the wheelbarrow tyres, these random Chinese ditchfinders should have a "not for road use" labels. They are fine for burn outs and dramatic car chases in cinema, and at a farm for sileage pits but should be avoided at all cost as regular tyres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Also using cross climates. On about 30k km on them, rear ones are down to 3.2mm so probably need to go soon, front still on 4.6mm. I did rotate them and one stage.

    I only really notice the lack of grip pulling off at some junctions. Cross climates definitely did help



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp


    Autogreen Sport Chaser is a new brand on me but I’d suspect it wouldn’t help with traction issues! It makes me think of the Landsail brand which always conjures up the image of a car sailing across a road into the nearest ditch😆. Or course they could be perfectly OK tyres but I can’t get past the name!

    The reason I raised the issue is that Hankook Ventus Prime 4 is a decent brand with good reviews so I was wondering if people had any views on traction issues with the Ioniq 38



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭All in all


    Yes notice a good bit of wheel spin with Firestone Firehawks, due a change in next couple of months so may try the cross climates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭evftw


    Any Michelin will do better. It's not that the crossclimate are some wonder technology outside ice and snow, it's just that the cheap tires are often not suitable for just about any conditions. Firestone are a budget brand too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Along with good tyres on the front putting car in eco driving mode reduces power to front wheels.

    Beware in eco mode the cabin will heat up slower unless you change a setting. If you stamp on the accelerator you still get full power, the mode just makes the pedal less responsive.

    Take extra car if it has been dry for days then wet, as naturally grip is suddenly greatly reduced. Entering roundabouts is where the greatest risk applies. Going from stop to wanting to go fast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,502 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Ventus Prime is a good tyre, would work nicely on the Ioniq. Not a bad price either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 lakeowner


    The name Autogreen Sport Chaser, along with previous comments about ditch finders, makes me think "Autogreen Ditch Chaser".

    Would it matter that the Hankook Ventus Prime 4 are summer tyres?



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