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Dublin routes news and general chat

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭Touristx73


    China Eastern apparently announcing 3x weekly DUB-PVG from June. Not bookable and no info about schedule available



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭jreams08


    was juneyao not planned to do that route pre-covid? How come they didnt come back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 94 ✭✭DrivingSouth


    It won't let me post a link to x but here is the text of a post from minister Darragh O'Brien

    Great to meet with the team at LATAM Airlines here in São Paulo today. 🇧🇷✈️

    We had a really positive discussion about potential connectivity opportunities and the growing links between Brazil and Ireland through our businesses and our people.
    @IEAmbBrazil @irlandanobrasil



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    ASA negotiation does not mean a route is coming; but its unlikely the request to have an ASA came from nowhere.

    I believe we have some ASAs with countries we have never had service to.

    But new ones are usually only put in place because an airline wants them, e.g. we signed one with Ethiopia in 2014.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,029 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Departmental announcement on this.

    Minister for Transport of Ireland, Darragh O’Brien, and Minister for Ports and Airports of Brazil, Silvio Costa Filho, have announced the opening of formal negotiations on an Air Services Agreement between Ireland and Brazil.

    An Air Services Agreement (ASA) provides the legal and regulatory framework for the operation of scheduled air services. The agreement would facilitate the introduction of direct scheduled flights between the two countries, should any commercial operator wish to begin services.

    “I am delighted that negotiations are underway between our officials. A bilateral air services agreement between Ireland and Brazil would send a strong signal to industry of the commitment our two Governments have to facilitating direct connectivity between our two countries which would realise significant benefits for tourism and trade and further develop the growing bonds between our people. I am optimistic about the pace of progress, and I look forward to both sides bringing the agreement to fruition in due course.”

    Minister for Transport, Darragh O'Brien

    While the decision to introduce direct flights will remain a commercial matter for interested airlines, data suggests that there is increasing demand from passengers to travel directly from Ireland to Brazil and some airlines have informally expressed an interest in this route. It is hoped that this demand will be met by a carrier from Ireland, Brazil or indeed the European Union.

    There are currently no direct flights to South America from Ireland. A new direct service could provide access not only to Brazil but also onward connectivity to destinations throughout the continent, via key international hubs such as São Paulo/Guarulhos International Airport.

    “The bilateral air services agreement between Brazil and Ireland represents an opportunity not only to expand aviation links between the two countries, but also to boost tourism between Latin America and Europe. This is a very important milestone for both governments, which have demonstrated mutual interest in opening new markets and strengthening the mode of transport that carries the largest number of people worldwide on long-haul journeys. The Ministry of Ports and Airports and the Federal Government will make every effort to ensure that the agreement will be concluded soon, paving the way for air operations between the two nations.”

    Minister for Ports and Airports of Brazil, Silvio Costa Filho

    As an international agreement, the ASA will need to pass through the various domestic procedures of both countries before being signed and entering into force.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-transport/press-releases/ministers-welcome-landmark-negotiations-on-a-new-air-services-agreement-between-ireland-and-brazil/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭Qaanaaq


    Looks like Etihad will resume daily to Dublin in the next few weeks.

    https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/260310-eymar26



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭dublin12367


    Start of season report for Dublin shows Ryanair have 268k less seats and 438 less movements for S26 when compared with S25. Ryanair UK up 27k and 146 respectively.


    Ryanair had requested 1.4m additional seats in the initial S26 coordination so big change in plans there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭jwm121


    They've not announced any summer schedule. They've cut Rodez, Hahn, Palanga and Eindhoven. I don't know whether they are trying to prove something because of the cap or the daa price increases but they've just added 300,000 seats to Germany and a bunch of new routes despite the aviation tax there which they are in an ongoing dispute with. They're still releasing summer schedules elsewhere though so maybe some hope. 130 routes in 2023 was peak, down to 120 so far for S26.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    Interesting article about the founding of Ryanair. It suggests but doesn't say explicitly that the two Ryan families involved are unrelated. I never knew that if it's true?

    https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/ryanair-co-founders-children-share-untold-family-story-behind-airlines-meteoric-rise/a1346370782.html

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭Qaanaaq


    I think you are right they must be trying to prove a point. Demand for travel is still high out of Ireland so i don't think there is a market related reason to cut so many seats. As a comparison, Ryanair have added nearly a million more seats out of Stansted this summer, even though the UK economy is still suffering from the impact of Brexit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭Noxegon


    Ryanair makes service changes all the time, invariably blaming any cut routes on high fees and/or taxes by XYZ authority. It's never a case of "we think we can make more money by moving this plane elsewhere".

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Emirates aiming to retirn to double daily DXB-DUB operations from Sunday.

    https://x.com/IrelandEmbUAE/status/2032320615982768588?s=20



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭Touristx73


    Ireland and South Korea negotiating ASA. 22,000 annual travellers between the 2. Korean Air was reported to be interested in this route recently



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,968 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Is EK back to normal as such where they’re taking pax who are transitioning via Dubai as recently it was just people leaving or returning to Dubai was my belief?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭Noxegon


    Fun fact, Aer Lingus operated to Seoul a few times during the pandemic to pick up PPE.

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,075 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    As one of those travellers, I'd still much rather go from Cork to Amsterdam to Incheon rather than travelling up to Dublin. If Korean Air were doing it, I'd guess not too bad compared to Aer Lingus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,103 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    110k folk travel to Thailand annually, from DUB alone!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    Airlines don’t pivot quickly, and long-haul routes especially are slow, calculated moves. That said, instability in the Middle East absolutely creates opportunity gaps. The question is who is actually in a position to exploit them.

    So talks of Korea, Thailand, Singapore and China are interesting and may open up new options for Australia.

    You’ll see incremental moves by Asian carriers tightening their grip on traffic that’s already flowing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Between the ME3's issues with Iranian attacks now and the pre-existing ban on European airlines overflying Russia theres a pretty big gap in the market for the Asian airlines. But yeah, it'll be hard for them to move quickly - and no guarantee of how long the two war situations will last either.

    Anecdotally I do know multiple people flying to Ireland from Australia in the near and medium term future who've booked with Chinese airlines just for those exact geopolitical reasons. But who in the past would never have even considered doing so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    Qatar Airways is the largest shareholder in International Airlines Group (IAG), holding a 25.1% stake as of 2020. So this may not be a possibility BUT does it take much to operate a code share? EI to LAX/SFO connect to services with Qantas to SYD/MEL/BNE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Flights from SYD/MEL already just fly to/from LAX/SFO direct over the Pacific, no need to connect in DUB going the much longer other way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    I know, that’s why I suggested it. I also know it’s longer but if someone wanted options, a codeshare on DUB-LAX/SFO-SYD/MEL might be an option.

    it’s not necessarily a good option but it’s still an option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭steve-o


    Sounds like an unattractive option. Anyone doing that would need to have an ESTA or US Visa. On the return they'd also need to collect their checked bags and recheck them while transiting in the US



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭Blut2


    SYD-SFO is only 15hrs.

    SYD-DOH is 15hrs, DOH-DUB is 9hrs, and DUB-SFO is 11hours. So you'd be looking at 35 hours flight time, plus the additionaal connection times - so closer to 40.

    Its well over double the distance, it wouldn't be remotely financially (or logically, or time) viable. Its not an option.

    (and MEL and BNE are the same)



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Was only chatting about this option to an EI guy last weekend. His opinion…"such a move would be far too dynamic for EI".



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    Air New Zealand actually sell this routing using interline/codeshare with EI.
    I know of people who’ve gone to New Zealand this way via SFO or LAX



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    At the risk of repeating myself, I did say it was an option, not the best option but thanks for making your point again!

    Shall we keep going around in circles on this point of something that will never happen?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    Never knew that but the LHR-LAX before heading on to AKL was extremely popular in the early 00's when they operated the 747 with lie flat seats (when nobody else was really doing it)



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