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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,016 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    And the same religion was used - with a lot more success - to end it. Can you name a single Muslim antislavery group that uses Islamic teachings to oppose slavery?

    (Ans: you won’t, because Muhammad owned slaves and he is “the perfect man” so anything he does can’t be opposed. All the “reformers” can ever do, whether that be child marriage or slavery or using your servants for sex is to argue that that was all fine then but that modern society has changed. But the principles themselves are not wrong because to say so is to criticise Muhammad.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    "It took 20 years to replace the Taliban with the Taliban, it took six days to replace Khamenei with Khamenei" I don't think Donnie will seek the off ramp till Israel or America kill the son. As you admit if the Iranian regime remains in power, no matter how decimated their military is, they have won politically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Iran's tactics although completely wrong/illegal are working. The world is feeling economic pain and the world wants this war over. International pressure is building on a daily basis. Iran can sit in and drag this out for as long as they want by creating continuous disruption across the whole region. Iran is used to economic deprivation after decades of sanctions and now they are getting a higher price for their oil. Trump needs an off ramp but the definition of success is so muddy now that he won't be able to claim victory and the economic implications will last until the midterms. Israel have taken him for a fool strategically.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Can you not see the source in the image?

    https://en.royanews.tv/

    The Greater Israel notion is in the bible. Greater Israel encompasses all or part of Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Syria. Iran and Turkey are standing in the way of the Greater Israel project that is why the war was started. Are you "really struggling" to see the relevance to Iran or does the Handbook tell you to challenge the relevance!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Surely we can't give in to the war crimes being committed every day by Iran? I would have thought that you would be all in for supporting international law rather than wanting this over. The full might of international law (whatever that is) should be brought to bear on Iran for their crimes. Maybe a speech by Catherine Connolly would do the trick.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    The image could be photoshopped or AI junk for all I can see. There is no source, there is a just a picture you uploaded that could be something you generated yourself an hour ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I have always wondered about that map at the UN. Why did Netanyahu show it to the world then? What was the thinking behind it? At the time he was already getting bad press for the genocide and war crimes. The map showed Southern Lebanon, Gaza and West Bank as part of Israel. So why inflame the situation?

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Honestly do you add value to any thread? You haven't even addressed the post. I am talking about strategic analysis and what might happen. You are still sucking lemons about our president.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Is there a possibility he may try to cancel the mid terms, Is there any way under the US constitution he can do that- not that Donnie worries about ancilliary things like the constitution- the law is whatever he says it is. You can see why he admires Putin so much



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The expansionist goals as you see in that map are laid out quite clearly in Likud's charter. I wonder do pro Israel posters feel this section of the charter should be removed considering they views Israel as a liberal democracy. If that is the case then surely there is no place in a Charter for language that essentially calls for ethnic cleansing. The what about Hamas doesn't really work here because no one would accuse them of ever running a liberal democracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    any ideas why comments were under review before posting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,643 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    There is an incredible amount of AI and photoshopped stuff about this war at the moment

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Accountability for the Minab attack ultimately rests with Kegsbreath. He made "lethality" a priority at the expense of limiting civilian casualties.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-defense-department-iran-hegseth-civilian-casualties



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    It might be in the Likud charter, but is it in the Israeli constitution? There are precedents for territorial claims in written constitutions, but we don't want to be accused of hypocrisy on this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,530 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And, once again, quoting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    The video starts with an assertion that the image was seen on the uniform of an Israeli soldier.

    A single Israeli soldier allegedly has this image on their uniform, as it was a closeup, we have no idea if the allegation is true. From that, we build a whole conspiracy theory that this is Israel's ultimate objective, all because somebody somewhere claimed that they saw something on a single soldier's uniform.

    Understand it clearly now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,530 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And it's worth it to google why royanews spells Israel in quotes. 'Roya News, a Jordanian media outlet, uses quotes around "Israel" to reflect a editorial, political, and symbolic rejection of the state's legitimacy, aligning with a prevalent perspective in Jordan where a majority of the population is of Palestinian origin. This usage often implies a preference for referring to the area as occupied territory or by using terms that do not recognize the 1948 establishment of the state.'



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,113 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    A cynical post, since the Israeli genocide and decades of US invasions and interference has rendered international law moot. It is nothing more than a finger waving exercise at this point and as a direct result of their own actions, they now face an adversary who also does not adhere to international laws.

    It would be great if all involved were held accountable but many people in the western world are seeing behind the curtain, the visage of moral righteousness from western powers is slowly shattering and there is a realisation that many governments are no better than the likes of Iran, they just dress it up into something more paletable for the masses.

    I fear that this continued erosion and breakdown of diplomacy and "international law" will only embolden the worst of mankind for a long time going forward.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    You characterised attacks on non belligerents as “war crimes” but seem to have forgotten to reply to the question of whether the Israeli attack on non belligerent Qatar was a war crime.
    How about their attacks on Tunisia, Iraq, Syria, Sudan?

    Is Israel guilty of multiple war crimes by your own criteria?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Yet the end of slavery in the UK and USA came about due to the preaching of an evangelical MP (William Wilberforce) and his commitment to make it happen. The reformation of the Christian church and the individual rights we enjoy today are directly linked. Non Catholic Christians need to read their holy book and interpret it themselves (and not being told what to think by a priest/bishop) is a key factor in evolution of western societies. It also helps to explain the industrial revoultion in protestant northern Europe versus the Catholic south with much higher levels of literacy.

    One cost was the existence of wing nuts like the Burkes but everything comes with a price 😀

    The idea of international law comes from the British Navy's efforts to outlaw slavery. It required deals and agreements with various powers including the Ottomans who had to bend their understanding of the Quran to make said agreement. It continued close to the end of the Ottoman empire

    You would think the only slaves in history were slaves to western powers and the North African slave trade in particular. It was ended at great cost by western powers, yet it continues all over the world with millions effected in Africa and China in particular.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,530 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Oh, but at least one of the sources quoted directly referenced a map in the Protocols. Seems blatantly obvious what the story is they're trying to tell - invalidate Israel, kill Jews.

    Another 'impartial' site from that bastion of democracy and free speech, Myanmar, just quoted, too. Lovely.

    @wildgreen do you have any legitimate sources to copy/paste from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I notice Sky News aren't showing constant videos of missiles and explosions anymore. Not sure why. I thought war porn sold.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Have they though?

    This image was doing the rounds over a year ago, and Israel said it's not official issue (although, keeping in tune with the thread, we don't believe anything they say).

    An easy way to verify any legitimacy would be zoom out and show the soldier(s) for more context, but we're never going to see that.

    You can buy the patch here if you want:

    פאצ'ים מורל חרבות ברזל - מחיר משתנה - שירותי רקמה - גאסי רקמה ממוחשבת

    edit: seen as we're taking information as golden, as it's a picture from Roya, the original picture appeared in QUDS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    We're going to need another Hague just to deal with Israel.

    Anyway back to immediate events according to the Centre for Strategic and International Studies the first 100 hours of operation Epic Epstein Distraction cost the USA $3.7 billion.

    Iran isn't giving Trump a chance to walk it back unless he promises never to attack Iran again, which means Trump has put the USA on the hook for the cost of a forever war.

    BTW, since the US/Israeli attack 100 million barrels of oil under order for China left Iran unmolested. If the US/Israeli's sink Chinese cargo then we're into a whole new level of trouble. US companies like Tesla and Apple may find themselves losing their most profitable market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    See the post with the photo of the Prime Minister of Israel at the UN on September 22 2023. Are you saying that Israel is not pursuing a Greater Israel policy, that the concept is anti-semitic?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I am curious - how are the Iran-to-China oil tankers getting through Hormuz? How do they communicate that they are such and thus allowed safe passage?

    China are sitting back and watching USA implode on a monthly basis and in doing so annoying all it's allies (UK, France, Spain etc).

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Maybe it is to indicate that the historically correct term is "Greater Israel".



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