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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 inbloom427


    @standardg60 - not at all. Stockdale played well last week and it's bizarre you pretend he didn't. Come back to me after the weekend sure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,545 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Another Friday night match

    The autumn fixtures

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,864 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Fully agree with your last bit. The France match especially. We kept kicking to TOB and he was getting no change at all. Fogarty at half time says... we need to kick more or words to that effect.

    At least we've shown different attacking gameplans throughout the tournament, we're not quite England!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565


    stockdale wont be picked when mack / keenan are back from injury. JJ Kenny is a better winger than him in the long term anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565


    hopefully Doak gets another game



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,238 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    JJ Kenny with next to no European rugby and zero international experience?

    Jesus lads you'd want to ease back on the hype a small bit. Can't be anointing every single player who has a couple of decent URC games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Maybe he gets there but Kenny is a long way off right now. His positioning on both sides of the ball needs work, and he doesn't seem to have a kicking game. All very understandable considering how little 15s he has played, he needs to keep developing with Leinster for now.

    I'm not going to judge because I got overexcited about Finn Treacy when he was on his hot run of form last year, and thought he could bolt for the summer tour. I've noticed a bit of a pattern with young guys who break out scoring a load of tries, they tend to suffer a bit in the second season, and when the tries dry up and the confidence drops a bit the defensive errors and unpolished skills become a bit more obvious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭Tommybojangles


    I'm not sure anyone is arguing Stockdale didn't 'play well' the last day, but that he didn't do anything to threaten O Brien after O Brien's performance against england and in the autumn. O B was got established in the team in the autumn and Stockdale earned his shot against france but O B had more credit in the bank at that stage when both were terrible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    I don't think Stockdale played very well last time out, try aside.

    I think he will be doing well to be seen in green again. He will likely be relying on an injury crisis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,056 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Stockdale did fine last week, I wouldn't look on this as being "dropped", just like TOB losing out after his display against England was not being dropped, it was rotation. Stockdale and Timoney probably did need to show a bit more against Wales to keep their spots but neither played badly.

    I don't know if either Stockdale or TOB have done enough in the last six months that they'd be involved if Lowe was fit, and definitely not if Keenan and Hansen were available.

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  • Administrators Posts: 56,530 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    If he picks Aki that would be absolutely bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,369 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Scotland have named their side. As expected, they're pretty light in the second row. You'd think this would be prime opportunity for Ireland to really grind away at them with pick and goes and tight phase play.

    The media seem to think we're going 5-3 off the bench, but it might be a day for a 6-2 split to ram home our advantage up front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭HanShotFirst


    Its because the Jets had tapped him up last week. Want him as a FB……

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭sliabh 1956


    If its on the bench then I could accept that, he has been such an effective member of Farrells teams for a while now, he has rarely let us down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Scotland: Kinghorn, Graham, Jones, Tuipulotu (capt), Steyn, Russell, White; Schoeman, Turner, Z Fagerson, Williamson, Gilchrist, M Fagerson, Darge, Dempsey.

    Replacements: Ashman, Sutherland, Rae, Craig, Bradbury, Horne, Rowe, Jordan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭HanShotFirst


    He did all he can do. Scored a try….first since 2021. Offload for another.

    He cant catch a ball in the air. Main reason Ireland didnt kick as much……Paris LEARNINGS

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    He managed to regather this..

    TOB was always coming back in for this game. That bit better in the air……Paris LEARNINGS & far quicker than Stockdale.

    Baloucoune & TOB are the fastest duo Ireland has started in years & years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    I'm not taking them lightly at all but Scotland haven't won an away game against a top 3 finisher since France in 2021. I believe the last time in front of fans was against us in 2010.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565


    Stockdale will be 31 in the next World Cup. JJ Kenny has good acceleration, is abrasive in contact, can win high balls and is a good defender. We all need to follow Frances approach of promoting our younger wingers to the senior squad, mobility is everything nowadays. Stockdale looks really sluggish at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,475 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Scotland will be motivated, it's their biggest game in years. But let's just say that what I think will happen is something I'm not prepared to say out loud.

    Nevertheless, Scotland have electric backs, an excellent out half and we will need to be at our best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    We are not France. Attissogbe and and Bielle-Biarrey have 55 and 86 top class club games under their belt respectively, Kenny has 10. That game time means their decision making in particular is much more robust than an equivalent Irish player. I have seen Kenny made some really poor reads in defence and get put into touch more than he should while in possession. That's the kind of fundamental error that I expect will be eliminated from his game by the time he has equivalent experience to the French pair, but could be extremely costly in a 6 Nations game.

    To my mind, the best performers on the wing for the 5 other teams have been the more experienced ones; Steyn (32), Ioane (31), Lynagh (25), and Baloucoune (28). For England, Arundell has been a disaster, with the older and less "exciting" Roebuck being far more effective.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,951 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Im prepared to say it!! Ireland are going to smash the Scottish forwards to bits around the field.

    They have lost their starting locks. Compare that to what the Irish changes are:

    4. McCarthy
    6. Beirne
    7. van der Flier
    Moving MOTM Conan to the bench

    Scrum is a different matter but it didnt stop them against England and Wales.

    I will concede Furlong is a concern (&TOT). He was done after 40mins v Wales.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭bigmac86


    He definitely doesn't have the same acceleration off the mark as TOB or Balacoune. He can shift once he gets into his stride and I think thats why he has been so effective for Ulster at fullback this season, more time to get up a head of steam and pick cutting lines in field, rather than operating in narrow channels where speed is everything. Shame we didn't see him get a run at 15. He had a decent game against Wales and maybe would have thrived against England, but TOB/Balacoune deserve the start based on their form this six nations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,475 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Ha, well yeah backs don't win matches, forwards do so we'll see, I'm optimistic, but we'll see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    James Ryan out with his calf, Darragh Murray on the bench

    Edit: wrong Murray brother



  • Administrators Posts: 56,530 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


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    Absolute bizarre bench.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


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    With the obvious proviso that Farrell knows what he is doing and is better at this than me….that is a stupid **** bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,369 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Ryan out weakens us quite a bit, I think. Been having a very good championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    James Ryan is a huge loss - he's had a strong tournament to date, and I feel when he's playing well he's absolutely central to Ireland (and Leinster) generating quick ruck ball.

    I wish him the absolute very best, but haven't seen anything up to now to suggest Darragh Murray is at the level required here, though I very much hope I'm wrong here. It's interesting he's got the nod ahead of Edogbo here, and it also explains why Henderson was training with the squad this week too. The rumours about the Irish coaching staff's concerns on Edogbo's fitness and ability to play big minutes at this level seem to be credible.

    A big part of me would rather have Iain Henderson sitting on that bench this weekend.

    Given the perceived weakness in the Scottish side was them losing Brown and Cummings, this gives back some of that advantage I feel. We need a big game from Joe McCarthy now (I'm confident Beirne will deliver).

    The only players on our bench I have a lot of confidence in to come in and make a big impact are Ronan Kelleher and Nick Timoney. I can't understand the Aki inclusion, he can only play one position, and it's the position where our best player in this championship plays, a guy we'd be really hoping doesn't come off the field. It would be scary thinking of those pacy Scottish backs running at a McCloskey-Aki centre combo.

    I'd rather have Prendergast there instead of Frawley too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,056 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Cormac Izuchukwu will be raging he was released for Ulster. Did not see Murray getting a call.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭Utah_Saint


    Has Murray been training with the Ireland squad since the start of the 6nations?



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