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M20 - Cork to Limerick [preferred route chosen; in design - phase 3]

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    I do think it’s justifiable that Cabinet sign off on projects that could be costing half a billion euro because they want to make sure pork barrel stuff doesn’t get built. They need to be controlling costs.

    But I see no reason why it should take longer than a week. After all the only reason the project is coming before you at all is because at some point in the past the government approved it for inclusion in an investment plan. The sign off just needs to consist of looking at the details of the project and making sure that it will deliver what it was originally intended to and that it still represents value for money however you define that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭Gunner3629


    I drove from Glanmire to Galway today, and as I crawled through Ballylanders and Hospital behind tractors and local traffic, one thought kept hitting me: how is this still one of the two main routes to Limerick in 2026?

    Yes, I could have gone via Charleville and Buttevant but that route is longer, barely faster, and hardly better. These are the primary links between two of Ireland’s biggest cities, and they simply aren’t fit for purpose.

    Even when the M20 is finally completed, a problem remains:
    Anyone living on the south side of the M8 or east of it will still have no great way to reach Limerick.

    Their options will be:

    Continue to endure Ballylanders/Hospital route
    Drive cross‑country to Mallow to meet the M20
    Or go south toward Cork just to go north again on the M20.

    Where is the prospect of a decent road from the M8 to Limerick?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I find it can oftentimes be faster to drive the route from Limerick-Michellstown and onwards to Cork. The limit for the regional road is 80km/h but you're regularly averaging 75 and then motorway at 120 to michellstown. Any kind of a crash at all on the M/N20 and the road becomes a carpark



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,361 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Any time outside of the early Sunday morning traffic, I'd do the Hospital route. Even if you get stuck behind lorries etc, the 80kmh limit means it isn't too bad. There are several outright dangerous spots and narrow bits though.

    Even when the M20 is done (and it does seem to be dragging, like everything), the Hospital route does need a decent S2 or S2+1 rebuild.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Mr.CoolGuy


    I looked into it before. Rain or shine, day or night, peak traffic or quiet times, it is always faster to go via Mitchelstown for anyone in the east or south of the city, including a lot of city suburbs themselves. I reckon about 100k people are affected by this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Always faster yep. But it's tougher in the dark with bad weather (snow, heavy rain, heavy fog) or if you're feeling any bit tired. Those are the times to stay on N20. The lack of road markings and signage on the Mitchelstown route means you need to work harder to make sure you're seeing everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,361 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Exactly. After a little bit of increasingly worried braking at this absolutely vile bend one dark night I do take the decision a bit more carefully on whether to go R513 or N20.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/bQLRgAxUchhvcBqs5

    Lets not forget that the M20 will not entirely sway this decision. Only the addition of the N40 Cork North Ring will solve that. The plod through Blackpool will be appalling (and congested as hell) once the M20 opens.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭pajoguy


    Updated interactive map indicating a new road to be built parallel to the M20 to the south to prevent traffic travelling through Patrickswell to access the Attyflynn road.

    Would it not have been easier to just keep the existing slip road or is its proximity to the new slip further west an issue?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭Ardrageen


    Since the M20 was constructed the requirements for the weaving length between junctions has changed.

    I had to look up what weaving length was. Just in case its of use to anyone else its the distance on a road, typically between an on-ramp and a following off-ramp, where traffic streams cross or merge within the same lanes.

    The distance between Junction 4(Patrickswell) and Junction 5( Attyflin) is only 750 meters which is considered too short so that’s why they have to change the access at Attyflin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Makes a lot of sense in fairness, the distance between J1 and J2 is probably less again and that's where 90% of the accidents happen

    What stage is the motorway at now? Are we still waiting for paperwork or are there shovels in the ground?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭Pale Red


    Could the hard shoulder, between close junctions, be turned into auxiliary lanes. This would avoid lane changes for those getting on to go to the next junction. It would also give more opportunity to get into 'off lane' earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Not sure a motorway designated road without a hard shoulder would be allowable from a safety perspective. If you could to somehow stop traffic coming from J2 accessing the Dublin-bound lane of J1 you might be on to a winner



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭Pale Red


    There are longish stretches of M50 (j5 southbound) where there is no/very small shoulder. M7 at a bridge between Lk and Nenagh has no shoulder. I'm sure there's other examples. As you say, weaving traffic may be a bigger issue for M 20 j2 towards M7 as they need to join and then change to right hand lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭pigtown


    I still don't understand why there is no plan to upgrade J1. It's already a hazard and adding all of the additional Cork M20 traffic and Foynes M21 trucks is going to be a huge issue



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    They haven’t even submitted a planning application yet. That’s expected next year.



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