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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    As said on another thread - should be standard on all cars!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    It's car-brain but it's culture wars too.

    Safe to say the best course of action is here: DO NOT CLICK THE LINK, followed by the old advice of "don't wrestle with a pig because you both get covered in excrement and the pig enjoys it". You can see him ALMOST making the obvious mental leap here before reverting back like the Simpsons meme "no it's the children who must be wrong"

    If the local shop is a two-minute walk away, most of us would walk (at least if it weren’t raining) for smaller purchases. Between finding the car key, pulling out, driving there, possibly dealing with traffic and lights, and parking, the whole endeavour would probably take longer than walking. You could say that walking there has avoided a car journey, but has it really?

    The truth is that, for many “purposeful journeys” made by those who own a car, taking the car is simply an unnecessary hassle (although one could argue with some force that the councils have done their best to make it so). To say then that a car journey is being avoided is questionable, and to say that cars are actively being taken off the road is a stretch at best.

    To save people from clicking, the arguments presented are:

    1. The above means that people aren't REALLY choosing not to use the car (no additional detail given)
    2. Bike lanes are empty (presented as a standalone fact)
    3. You can't move 3 children by bike (presented as a standalone fact)
    4. If you need to maintain a professional workplace visual aesthetic, and aren't a 30-50 year old man with a shower in work, bike is inconvenient
    5. Vast majority of people NEED to drive (no additional details provided)
    6. CRAMMING roads with bike lanes (??) means more congestion
    7. Drivers frustrated and inconvenienced (and also let's pretend we didn't mention this point - "when did you last beat your wife" etc)
    8. Drivers being forced to sacrifice comfort for a tiny minority, and resulting congestion means higher emissions (presented as a standalone fact)
    9. Something about the global impact of local people cycling (small country, big world, etc)

    Finally I think the actual point of the article is presented at the end as:

    the fetishisation of cycling should not take precedence over the vast majority of the population who rely on cars over bikes or similar vehicles. It is time that we – and more importantly, our government – acknowledge this.

    I think my riposte would be "the fetishishisation of cycling as some kind of weird greeny lefty conspiracy should not take precedence over the need to get more people around our cities in the most efficient ways possible. It's time that we - and more importantly, the right wing "conspiracy" fringe - acknowledge this".

    I'd love if we could create an education program that tasks people like this with the real-world mathematics of: the space occupied by individual cars, the scarcity of space in urban areas, and the necessity of getting people from one location to another. Would they just leave out one great big frustrated roar of "CAAAAAARS" and give up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    Today's judiciary on dangerous driving causing death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,384 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    All that stuff works as long as a) the convicted driver is using the car that has the breathalyser fitted, and not another car and b) someone else hasn't blown into it for them and the only way you'll know if a) and b) have occurred is….active policing, and plenty of it

    Back to Square One, lads.

    Far better to have those b@stards fitted with an ankle monitor that interferes with the car engine immobiliser system - practically every car has a short range RF-based immobiliser now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,438 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Whilst I like your thinking, that would also prevent them from being a car passenger, getting a cab etc. How about we surgically attach boxing gloves to their hands so they can't operate a steering wheel?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I've got to say, reading your posts always calms me down a bit 😂 It's like somebody else has gone to the trouble of writing what I want to, except without all the spittle and rage!

    Agree on your first point - I just don't bother clicking the links anymore. There are never any new arguments. There is never any balance. The comments will never be a place where honest and civilised discussion is welcome. And by increasing traffic to the page you're just encouraging the publication of more articles of that nature.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,526 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    In my defence for posting the link, I know that particular blog site (it isn't journalism!) would give the likes of the Daily Heil a run for its money but I didn't want to act as a censor stopping people getting to the article or reading the nonsense for themselves.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Ah no, I wasn't having a go at you the posting the article, it's good to know what's being written out there (kind of what this thread is for I guess). As you say, its up to each individual to decide whether they want their day ruined or not 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://m.independent.ie/regionals/wicklow/wicklow-district/dart-extension-to-wicklow-hits-major-planning-milestone/a1694360604.html


    Cycling related infrastructure update.

    Absolutely crazy that the bigger project (dart extension) has taken so long. It should have been done 20 years ago when we were flush with money and they extended it to Greystones. It’d be a game changer for Wicklow/ North Wicklow and all the areas inland of it. Would have the potential to take a huge amount of traffic off the creaking N11. My only fear is that it’ll be too late by the time it’s completed - stable door/ horse bolted kinda thing.

    At least the cycling element of the Wicklow end of it seems to be getting prioritised rather than discarded at the end



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,776 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    As a short term fix, shuttle runs between Gorey and platform 3 in Bray, There are a few stations with double track for overlaps. How there are so few trains going up and down is crazy to me. Quick, easy, simple. One every 20 minutes during peak, and every hour out of peak.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    We just can’t do forward planning on this country. What’s the point in coining it during the good times if we’re not investing heavily in public infrastructure and facilities? What did we end up with having to show for the Celtic Tiger years? A load of badly developed shoebox apartments and a national expertise in hot tubs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,102 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    We got some very nifty motorways, which are a godsend compared to the N roads before. Galway-Dublin in 2h, compared to ~3h+ pre M roads. Almost everything we consume moves via road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Yeah, I'll give you that in fairness actually. Unfortunately that it seems to have come at the expense of investment in public transport though. Other than Cork and Belfast routes our train network has basically stood still for the last 40 years. Bus transport has only improved thanks to private operators. New fleet of Dublin Buses in recent years hasn't been bad, but until we take more cars off the roads the busses will continue to battle their way through traffic, even allowing for bus lanes.

    You can see it with DART and LUAS - as much as we non-stop hear about how people don't want to ditch the car or how it's car as a choice or how cars are essential, as soon as decent infrastructure is put in place people use it. Most people don't want to be sitting in traffic for hours every week, paying for parking etc.

    Especially with the proposed DART extension, it would take people off the roads all the way along the N11 - Kilcoole, Newcastle, Rathnew, Wicklow, and inland the likes of Newtownmountkennedy, Ashford, Rathdrum etc would all benefit from it. I'd imagine a lot of people south of Wicklow would use it too if there was a park and ride facility.

    On top of that, there's the opportunity to kill another two birds with the same stone - put in the greenway from Wicklow to Greystones alongside it and you immediately have a tourist facility that will attract massive numbers to the area (just look at how much Greystones benefited from and has lost out from closure of the Cliff Walk). And then when undertaking the works you have the opportunity to tackle coastal erosion and sea defence issues along that stretch (which is starting to become a real issue) at a much more cost effective rate.

    But back to the topic of the thread - the greenway and cycling infrastructure alone would be a great addition for people looking to venture south without tackling the rolling countryside inland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Given the numbers of objections and hassle with bus connects, it does seem a missed opportunity not to go for more Luas lines instead of the bus lanes.

    Back on topic… Imogen Cotter the guest on the latest Sigma Sport/ Matt Stephens podcast. Obviously available whereever you normally get your podcasts as well as below:

    https://www.sigmasports.com/podcast



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,308 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    You would think if these things were put to fair referendums there would never be any cycling infra because the majority are opposed to it. The only reason some surveys come out in favour of pedestrianisation etc is because they tend to be brigaded by the likes of us and are not representative of the carbrain cycle detesting majority, in my opinion!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,786 ✭✭✭cletus


    The recent NTA study referenced a few posts back would suggest otherwise



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,353 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Yeah the NTA study involved a proactive outreach to people though. I imagine if you did a plebiscite, you'd have all the cranks turning up en masse as well as some cycling activists, but the middle ground of unopposed people would be sitting at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Sound more like the Cornelscourt estates didn't want plebs from Cherrywood going past their houses - good old fashioned snobbery rather than anything active travel related.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭buffalo


    I think the difference between the NTA survey and the likes of the above, is that people are notionally pro-cycling and pro-pedestrianisation, but when it comes to concrete action that affects them directly as an individual, it's a different story.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭JMcL


    I found myself listening to Cartalk on the way home, and they had Brian Caulfield, who speaks a lot of sense as he understands all this stuff, on. The gist of it was the female half of the annoying pair (can't remember their names, just that they both annoy me) repetitively asking "Is there ANYTHING to be said for another orbital son-of-M50?", "Well even if it fills up in 10 years time, would it not be a great thing to have that 10 years?" and when he'd gone finished by saying "I hear what he's saying but I'm not convinced". Jesus wept……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,102 ✭✭✭✭zell12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Sadly I also clicked on the link to this but I need to correct you on point 4; the author (using that kindly) did, I believe, make reference to the 50 year old man being 'bald' which is an important point I'm sure!!!!

    Definitely one of the worst pieces I've read in a while and a good reminder to never click on that site again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Is that Ciara Kelly and Shane wotzizface that used to be on the morning show? That "…hmm, I'm not convinced.." line is their regular schtick, followed up by "let us know what you think on [insert text line]". Its the radio equivalent of click bait, purely to drive traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭traco


    That works from outside thr M50 to the Coolagh roundabout or whatever it's called at the end of the N6. From either of those locations to the city center or accross the city could take as long again. The motorways are great for getting from one urban area to another. In doing that they present higher volumes of cars in a smaller time window to the local network that can't handle it.

    I drive a lot for work and appreciate them but what has been saved intercity is lost on each end with local chaos. eg If I have a meeting at 0900/1000 in an industrial estate in Galway I am still on the road at 0600 as I have to get out of Dublin and away from the M50 before the mayhem starts. Customers laugh at me when I say can we do 0730 or 0800.

    Trains leave too late and then you still deal with local issues and taxis. Caryrying demo kit doesn't work on the Brompton unfortunatley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,102 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Citylink bus projected me Eyre Square to Bachelors Walk in 2h5m, a Saturday 0515-0720 in fairness. Even on a weekday hitting Dublin commute times, it is ~2h30m



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭traco


    I've gotten the bus from Connolly to Naas and back a few times and its always later than the timetable, sometimes in excess of 30 mins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Careful now…

    I divorced my husband because of his cycling addiction

    Popped up on my Microsoft Edge homepage 😁 I'll be honest, I stopped reading after "new research has found…"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,102 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    One is more intrigued that it was suggested to you



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,384 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    That article gets resurrected every six months or so



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