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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    The post where you mention the ceasefire at 12:23 has no /s beside it. Look again.

    It is really hard to understand your posts as some are so over the top without indicating whether you are being sarcastic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,613 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The reason there is no ceasefire is on offer is because Trump has no plan or specific outcome in mind. He keeps contradicting himself and changing his mind every single day as to why he actually attacked Iran. Even today, we haven't a clue what his motivation is, whether he has a preferred outcome or where he sees Iran in a year or two. It's as if he started a war purely for the sake of starting a war and the 'buzz' it would give him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Fancy putting hundreds of sanctions on a country because for 40 years we were being told by a madman they were building da bomb and do nothing to a madman who actually built da bomb. Then actually kill the leader who forbid building da bomb, which could now likely lead to them building da bomb.

    It's worse than Sadam and his Wmd's when you think about it, yet the gullible just keep lapping it up time and time again.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Keeping in line with the pedanticness of the thread.

    What proof have you got that two nuclear powers are doing it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    Some of Iranian drone debris shows many are constructed with simple plywood and styrofoam filling, so the only WMDs so far are Trumps wars of mass distraction in lieu of more Epstein revelations.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    As they say hindsight is a great general, but lets say if Iran had amassed 20- 30,00 missiles , would the Americans have been as keen to go to war with Iran? Peter Hesgeth admitted it's not a fair fight. If it was a fair fight, i'd argue there would be no war taking place right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Mostly agree,

    we don’t have a clue what Trump wants as it’s quite likely his own senile narcissist brain doesn’t either.

    We can guess what those surrounding him want, and usually he is influenced by the last person who spoken to him by what the say

    • Israel / Netanyahu - Civil war and and chaos in Iran suits him quite fine, had to build nuclear weapons and rockets when country is in rubble and got knocked back to preindustrial age while under a blockade
    • Military industrial complex - make money 💰
    • Domestic us oil and gas industries - make money 💰 💰
    • Neocons of Bush years like Bolton - wage forever wars in Middle East
    • Supremacists and neofascists like Bannom and Vance and Hegseth - Crusades in the Middle East cause they bought into clash of civilisation nonsense sprinkled with religious end of days crap they love
    • Techbros - train killer AI and robot tech
    • Fox News - America f yeah shite
    • Military - throws a spanner into Chinese machine whom the view as largest enemy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,617 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    as stated on the other thread, Iran isn't stopping anyone from sailing through the Straits of Hormuz. What you're seeing are Chinese ships travelling with China-provided insurance.

    Trump has said the US taxpayer will underwrite the insurance for any US-flagged vessels that want to make the trip ... but for some reason, the companies concerned don't seem to trust what's written on the Mar-a-Lago toilet paper, so they're opting to stay at anchor for now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    The points made are quite clear and factual.

    Ireland, Germany and Denmark are the big three when it comes to renewable wind power, at the same time all three countries are the most expensive for electricity consumers.

    Renewables are not delivering for consumers in the electricity market and one of the biggest reasons is that the EU Marginal Pricing Policy is a mechanism where by the consumer is screwed over on the double. While wind turbines are generating ~35% of the time, yet they still require gas burning backup to smooth out the load (wind is volatile).

    So effectively we have to pay for the wind turbine power - which thanks to the EU policy, costs exactly the same as wind generated power, and we also have to pay for the gas backup.

    The EU promised reform in this area soon after the Ukraine war kicked off. They have delivered nothing for the consumer. The EU is only serving massive green energy companies to line their pockets.

    The EU needs one huge kick up the rear end for what it has done to consumers of electricity all across the bloc. All brought about by investing in and listening to wishy washy fantasy dreams from green activists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    @CelticRambler

    Spot on, outside of his sycophant billionaire funders international trade won't budge of a promise from Trump.

    In this regard he has lost the middle East after decades of US body bags.

    Iran, like Iraq is a war the US cannot win.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    You just pointed out that US violated international laws and rules and norms

    And yes they have

    But that just goes back to my point, this is the world your Iran’s, Russia’s etc wanted!

    They wanted to bring down the “rules based order”

    They wanted to colonise and influence their neighbours in their “sphere of influence”

    They wanted a might is right dog eat dog world

    And now that they got what they wanted which is the destruction of the old post WW2 world order that they hated so much because it led to such prosperity for those decadent “westerners” {direct quote from earlier in thread} it’s slowly dawning on them that this same order also restrained the US from doing crap like this

    @brickster69 you keep trying to appeal to hypocrisy and unfairness of the situation, and there is plenty of that to go around! But you keep failing to see that this is precisely what you were cheering for on your posts for so long



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    The USA has not respected international law in decades. To blame Iran and Russia for wanting this sort of world rather than just recognising the world in which already existed is just ridiculous. We wouldn't be cheering on terrorist attacks like 911 because the United States doesn't respect international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    You can’t claim you want a world with rules and laws on one hand while admitting that you were “cheering on terrorist attacks like 911” on the other hand

    Thanks for illustrating and furthering my point btw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I dont cheer on 911 , im saying we dont cheer on 911, even though America doesn't respect international law. Like I dont cheer on illegal attack on lran because they break the same laws.

    Unless you were being sarcastic in your reply there, which is hard to tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Water treatment facility in Bahrain hit by drones from Iran according to it's ministry.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The Iraq war is seen by many in the international relations/geopolitics sphere as the beginning of the end of the rules based order.
    An illegal invasion based on a lie, torture, extraordinary rendition. The US was the architect of the rules based order and they then decided to expediently abandon their own creation.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Yes the Americans overreacted to a bunch of cave dwellers and then their rage got hijacked and redirected by the neocons to their adventures in Iraq

    So instead of using the UN etc to work on preserving post WW2 peace likes of Iran and Russia and China decided to double down and help bring down faster the world order that gave us 70 years of peace and prosperity for most of the population of the planet that rapidly grown in that time

    And now that that is backfiring and they waking up to the fact they are not the largest bully on the street, they screeching “but but whatabout…”

    I recommend you listen to Mark Carneys recent speech it cuts straight through a lot of bullcrap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,737 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Before that the USA at least did that type of thing covertly. Gradually lost all inhibitions they don’t even bother making. up justifications now . They probably spent more time thinking up the operation name “operation fury” this time than anything else.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    Historians will cite the invasion of Iraq without a UN mandate as the day that institutions law lost any real world meaning.

    The sinking of the iranian ship hosted in Indian waters confirmed that the UN may as well leave the USA.

    Post edited by yagan on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    We'll just forget the half ton of Uranium that hasn't been seen in over a year.

    John Cena Uranium.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    Also the thirty years of Bibi warning that Iran will get the bomb by tea time next Tuesday.

    Blair and Bush Jr should be in jail for their wmd fabrications.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    How about Yugoslavia earlier, that set the precedent. Did not Nato do the exact same thing ?

    Also set the precedent for bombing of energy facilities when NATO official Jamie Shea said in 1999 " Yes, I'm afraid electricity also drives command and control systems. If President Milosevic really wants all of his population to have water and electricity all he has to do is accept NATO's five conditions & we will stop this campaign."

    This was in the Unipolar age when they could just act with impunity because no one could stand up to them.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Technically, that was a possibility. Enriching Uranium is a dual use technology…. only difference is speeds and time doing it. With 60% enrichment, you can have enough for a bomb in 1 more cycle through the centrifuges. Depending on how many you have working in parallel, that can be as little time as 1 week.

    On a separate note, 5 x B-1 Bombers now in Fairford with 3 others diverted Ramstein and in later on. B-52's looking like they will be in soon also. Also a massive build up of SOF kit in UK and Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The US has attacked more countries, than the Soviet Union/Russia, China and Iran have combined.
    China can play a positive role in international relations such as their role in the rapprochement between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

    The US response to 9/11 was a catastrophic and costly disaster. One that Biden urged Netenyahu not to repeat in the wake of October 7th.

    The “war on terror” is still ongoing, a quarter of a century, hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars later.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    What are they going to bomb? Styrofoam and plywood drone production which sounds like a cottage industry in a country of 90 million the size of central Europe.

    There must some really bad pedo stuff about Trump about to be released from the Epstein files soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Sand, mountains and rubble by the looks of things…. just call them bunkers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭midlander12


    Yeah, well your last sentence sums it up well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Oil production in Iraq has now declined by 3 million barrels per day. Production has declined from 4.3 million barrels per day to 1.3 million barrels per day.

    Buyers China & India 2 mb/d. Next main buyers South Korea & US

    Total oil exports account for over 95% of total export earnings and roughly 45%–50% of the country's GDP.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    One way or another Trump will grasp any lull as vindication of job done. He simply doesn't have the attention span for asymmetric war, which is why he attacked Zelensky with his "you don't hold all the cards" prompt to cede to Putin.

    Iran never needed Russian help with intel, bonds of kinship spread across the entire region, those gulf state borders were written by Europeans in a different era.

    They carpet bombed Hanoi to no effect, Saigon still fell. Another round of inflation and currency devaluation and US voters, including Trumpers will ask what are they getting for all the military presence in the gulf when their domestic oil needs are now being met, unlike during the first oil shocks in the 70s.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭goldsparkle


    My understanding of Iran's attacks is that they are retalilating and their attacks are on American bases in countries in the middle east.

    Surely that should be enough of a warning to Trump to stop what he is doing or is he that f*cking thick?



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