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How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    the driveway is the least of my worries. I am retired, live alone, only have State pension, no ability to take out or repay a loan. Solar panels in my lifetime would not pay me back as my electricity use is fairly small. It makes sense for a young family with a few kids, no brainer, electrical appliances on the go, showers on the go all the time.

    There's lots like me, who live on a very small income who can't make the big change because we can't borrow. I have excellent insulation and my house is naturally warm thankfully. But that's it. We can't retrofit our homes, no chance of heat pumps or underfloor heating. This is never addressed by Govt. They bang on about retrofitting, solar panels, EVs, all things I'd love but will never have a chance to get along with hundreds of thousands like me. I have a diesel car now but dread the day I have to change that. I drive a lot, up to 30km a year, so hoping the diesel lasts me a while longer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    You don't need any of that stuff to drive an EV tho. 30,000km a year is only 82 km per day. If you got an EV you would only need to charge about once a week. Fuel cost would be around €4,000 for diesel vs maybe €500 for an EV? It's a complete no brainer for someone like yourself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    I do a lot of long trips, to Dublin, Meath, Donegal too (family stuff). I would certainly consider one (or a hybrid) if I felt it could do long trips. Affordability is another thing, I hear EVs have a very poor re-sale value due mostly to battery issues.

    Then again I have just replaced timing belt on my diesel plus glow plugs and service, so that ain't cheap either. Down here when I ask mechanics they mostly advice to stick with diesel for now.

    ( But it would be an absolute dream not to have to keep putting fuel in the car!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    EV's are generally much cheaper to buy vs the equivalent diesel car due to low VRT etc. They do tend to depreciate a bit faster but as long as you keep the car for 5+ years it doesn't make much of a difference. Better again if you buy one that's already depreciated a bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,142 ✭✭✭9935452


    Lawnmower bought on the cycle to work scheme ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Affordability is another thing, I hear EVs have a very poor re-sale value due mostly to battery issues.

    FUD (Fear, uncertainty, and Doubt).

    Lots like to spread it - no idea why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    UK petrol stations are "probably" going to run out of fuel, according to a fuel shop owner in the north of England. Atruck stop owner warned drivers, motorists and road users there could be shortages due to the war in Iran.

    Things could get very interesting in another couple of weeks.

    EV's flying around and everybody else on bicycles.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,564 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I hear EVs have a very poor re-sale value due mostly to battery issues.

    where do you hear this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Down his second hand diesel car dealer, I suspect.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭John arse




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭pah


    I used to jump on everywhere to try and combat the EV FUD.

    Couldn't be arsed anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,031 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Exactly, that's why we need grants, not just on brand new EVs (which are now will below 20k) but on second hand ones as well, public charging prices are a complete nuisance and also needs to come down for the transition to make sense to people like yourselves, apartment owners, those who don't have and can't get a driveway etc etc

    EVs aren't the solution to climate change on their own, they are a small part of the solution that contains many elements to it, including public transport. In 2024 (the most recent year I can find data for) the transport sector accounted for 37.7% of energy-related emissions and 21.7% of Ireland’s total Greenhouse gas emissions... A solution that can knock those kind of figures to 0% has to be part of the wider plan and now, with the price of oil based fuels rising exponentially, is the time to entice people to move away from fossil fuels

    I was after having a couple of drinks down the boozer last night when one of my friends raised the prospect of the govt fitting all Irish homes with solar panels for free but to have half of the panels on a separate meter supplying electricity directly to the grid. Effectively meaning whoever is living in the premises would benefit from the use of half the panels as a kind of payment for renting the roof space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,031 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    You're saying those with a fossil fuel powered car and a driveway should pay a greater burden of tax than those without the means to move to an EV?

    In principal I don't disagree with that idea but I think it would be a better idea to see it being easier and cheaper to be an EV owner without a driveway. Otherwise we will never get all the ICE cars off our roads



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I never realised rural electrons wouldn't fit in a domestic charger 😯

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Pensioners get free house wrapping and energy upgrades. Lots of our neighbours are getting it done

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    Living alone allowance

    Free travel

    Fuel allowance

    Household benefits package

    Medical card

    I'm sure there's more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    What's the story with diesel being close to €2 a litre yet petrol is still around €1.80? Diesel used to be 10 cent cheaper and now it's close to 20 cent dearer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Lad the road network is a mess and under maintained and you think the government would subsidise this. Your funny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,920 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    That photo is from McLoughlins in Newbridge. I drove past it this morning & can verify it’s genuine.
    Not sure what’s going on here though as McLoughlins are normally the cheapest in town but as I type they are the most expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    More expensive to produce. Competition with commercial diesel and heating for limited supply. Environmental taxes to encourage less emissions by moving the market away from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    In reality people will just buy off the cheaper place until they run out. Their next delivery could be higher cost again.

    So the cheaper place suddenly becomes the expensive place. And everybody calls them gougers.

    This cycle will continue until prices stabilise a bit then they will all be within a few cent of each other locally again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Down here when I ask mechanics they mostly advice to stick with diesel for now.

    They would say that, wouldn't they. Diesel drivers keep them busy.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,431 ✭✭✭Buffman


    @JVince explained it all very well over on the BA fuel thread, all his posts have been bang on and he called this current rise well ahead of time last week.

    biggest issue is the main diesel refineries in the middle east can't get their diesel & jet fuel out. That accounts for 30% of consumption, so even without a single litre of extra demand, it had created a massive shortage and European refineries have jacked up their prices to make enormous profits.

    As in my posts above - there no refining price jump on petrol, just the oil price rise, so those driving petrol cars won't see massive jumps at the pumps like diesel.

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.

    Public transport user? If you're sick of phantom ghost services on the 'official' RTI sources, check bustimes.org for actual 'real' RTI, if it's on their map it actually exists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Thats about it and theyd want to be considering a lot are tolled



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,799 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Sort of.. there might not be massive potholes but surface water and aquaplaning risks is a big issue on a lot of them once it rains a bit.

    Then there was the ridiculous decision to turn off the lighting at most of the junctions or on Cork's N40 which can be as busy as the M50 at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,358 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    How do EV drivers feel when they see oil refineries in Iran and Russia burning year in year out, sending oceans of black smoke into the atmosphere . That's the thing about emissions, it's not something you can control locally, nor is climate change.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    I'd say nobody gives a fu-ck. No different to an ice driver.

    It's not like oil and gas doesn't power these magic EV's anyway.



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