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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 12.02.26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    I had the thought during the week as to whether Amad could be a legit option as a full back from the start in a game we'd be expected to dominate and push full backs high. He was dovetailing well with Mbeumo earlier in the season, and it was a way of getting him in the team and continue his development when Sesko had earned a start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I still think RWB was going to be his best position for us.

    And I think the same will end up being true for Dorgu (At LWB). Mazraoui as a RCB, Martinez LCB, Heaven as a LCB, Cuna L10… I think there are going be a number of players that would have been better off if it had worked out under Amorim. But it didn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Our fullbacks, especially going forward, have been terrible for years. This is not even a Carrick/Amorin/ten Hag thing.

    At a proper club a player like Shaw would be gone, he can't cover the ground at top level anymore. Thanks for your service and goodbye. Not at United of course, where there's no need to be getting forward or supporting the attack or anything like that. Pace not needed either. Nor the ability to actually play 90 minutes.

    Dalot offers nothing going forward, it's simply not his game. And to think Amorim constantly picked him at wingback !

    Look at Hall or Livramento at Newcastle. We'll see Cash and Digne at Villa the next day. Chelsea have James and Cucurella. They're miles ahead. I was even a little envious seeing Antonee Robinson pushing forward for Fulham.

    We're not looking for Messi at fullback, but they must offer something, the odd overlap even. Dalot and Shaw actually slow down attacks. All they do is pass backwards or sidewards, or often just give the ball away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    But we're unlikely to be playing wingbacks at all, right ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Now, yes.

    Unless we appoint Alonso I guess. Then maybe there is a chance.

    But that doesn't change my view that 343 would have been very good for a lot of our players, if we could have got it working. And I don't think the failure was down to the formation being completely unworkable. I think Amorim either failed to coach it, or gave up trying to get key aspects working.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭BenK


    You're right in that a manager that is regularly qualifying for the champions league and winning the odd cup would be good to start with but the club has shown in recent times that that is the limit if their ambition. They've only recruited (badly) when champions league qualification has been at risk, or missed, and when it has been achieved very little ambition has been evident with transfers.

    Now that is historically more to do with the Glazers and remains to be seen if that's how Ineos approach things. Signings have been generally better so far so hopefully that continues. Numerous signings need to be made this summer regardless of champions league qualification or not so I hope they're taking a longer term view on the signings.

    I agree that it is too early to fully judge Carrick now. The fear is that there is not a lot to judge him on before United either so appointing him in the summer is a risk really regardless of how he does from here on. He does have an easy time of it with the fixture list as well so it's quite hard to know how highly to rate how he's done so far. It will be interesting to see how the next few games pan out in any case and at least it gives some more evidence to base a decision on.

    To summarise, I agree with you more or less!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,671 ✭✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Did you not see Yoro defending in the FB positions this season especially in the game against Villa. It's why Maz was starting ahead of him at RCB.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,456 ✭✭✭✭Nalz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,404 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Micah Richards now joining Evra in criticising the Scholes post on Carrick.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    All Scholes said was exactly what a lot of ManU supporters having been saying here. United haven’t been playing well for the last 3 or 4 games. It’s bizarre the crtiicism he gets for giving his honest opinion. The vast majority of people who criticise him clearly never listen to his podcast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,199 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    It was a childish comment from someone whose words carry weight because of who he was as a player. That’s not the same as someone on Boards posting an opinion. Nobody on here is stupid enough to post “Tonali ❤️” after a defeat either - strange behaviour.

    Scholes deleted the post afterwards anyway, which says plenty about him. If you’re going to throw something like that out there, at least have the balls to stand over it.

    As for the “people who criticise him don’t listen to his podcast” line, I wonder why that might be? Maybe because he rarely says anything worth listening to.

    Fantastic player. Absolutely dreadful pundit. Comes across as a miserable and bitter man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,727 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    For me it's the clickbaity dig that I dislike about Scholes' comment. It's childish.

    A lot of people would not have an issue if he said performances under carrick seem to have dropped after the strong start, maybe the new manager bounce / honeymoon period has settled down and there still seems to be some coaching and/or performance issues etc. in an adult and reasoned way imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,671 ✭✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Maybe he's dyslexic and meant "Toenails ❤️"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,305 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    He posted it about 12 am so I reckon he was a few beers in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,142 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Scholes post was mild, very mild and it's getting a lot of blowback. Meanwhile, Mr Sky Sports loves to dump on the team using every medium available to him and doesn't get a fraction of the push back. When Neville is on Utd games I go to a different channel because he spends most of the game grumbling about how rubbish we are.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,305 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    I'd have Ally McCoist for every utd game if I could. Best co com out there imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,989 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    twas my thinking as well, moreso after he deleted it the following morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭jayo44


    If carragher said what Paul Scholes said no one would give A toss you expect it. But Scholes and butt play the "we are united fans" card weekly they only want what's best for the club, it's all only constructive criticism that's what they said all along about amorim and the crap with licha.

    Well to laugh at a rookie manager a few minutes after his first loss for the club and who genuinely wants to do his best for united shows that it's total bull.

    They don't give a toss about united.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭BenK


    What I like about McCoist as well is he doesn't take himself too seriously and seems to really love football.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,305 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    He's just completely non biased and calls it how we all see it.

    He'd be a gas man to have a pint with id reckon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,142 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I'm not arguing that they care about Utd or that they are even fans. In fact, I don't believe any of them are actual fans of the club and just comment on Utd because they used to play for them. Carra is a Liverpool fan, doesn't shy away from that, and it blindingly obvious that he's one as well. I don't get that from any of the former players turned pundits if I'm being honest. The one exception being Evra and he’s just a brilliant headcase.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,199 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    It’s as clear as day that Gary Neville is a Man United fan. I understand people don’t like him, are sick of listening to him, think he’s too negative, or find his commentary on 50/50 decisions in United games bizarre. Fair enough. None of that changes the fact that he’s a fan. An obsessed one. No harm in that. A lot of people are.

    People like different things which is fine. One might find Evra hilarious. I don’t. One might find a Paul Scholes podcast insightful and interesting. I absolutely would not. Different strokes for different folks.

    But just because you don’t like Neville doesn’t mean you can claim he isn’t a fan simply because he’s more negative than not.

    Why would an obsessed Man United fan be more negative than positive over the last 13 years? You know the answer to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    Again, all the ‘thanks’ the anti-Butt anti-Scholes posts get shows that most MU fans dont actually ever listen to the podcast, they just see the isolated clips and react accordlngly.

    The McGuinness-Butt-Scholes podcast is extremely light hearted. They take the pish out of each other and anyone else they can think of, and have a great laugh. Most recently its Martin Keown they take the mick out (and how irrational he gets with even the mildest criticism of Arsenal) especially Scholes! They hate Man City, Butt in particular despises everything about them, and long before the 130 charges.

    If you think Butt and/or Scholes arent massive ManU fans, then congrats, you’ve been conned by social media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    Is Scholes not an Oldham fan? Just because someone played for a team does not make them a fan, they may have an affinity but in their heart of hearts they may not necessarily be a conventional fan.

    I was taken aback the other week when I learned Paul Merson was a massive Chelsea fan, he likes Arsenal, but he is a Chelsea fan through and through….it would mess with your mind!!!!

    The thing about the Scholes dig for me was that Carrick carried alot of water for Scholes in the later years. Carrick played a big part in why Scholes is so revered as a player.

    Scholes said previously when asked about the Scholes/Gerrard/Lampard debate that all of them needed a Carrick rather than to be paired up.

    I reckon there is a good chance he was on the beer and it came out all wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I remember when Scholes used to be first down the tunnel at the end of a game and driving out the car park before the rest of them were in the changing rooms.

    Thought he would disappear after finishing like David Batty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭MercuryBoy


    Carragher was a boyhood Everton fan! Not a Pool one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,989 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    to be fair, he has a disabled kid so maybe thats why he was rushing out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,344 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    So was Rooney



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,671 ✭✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    What's it that someone said, when he played you'd never hear a word from him but now you can't shut him up.



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