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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    We are reliant and we have always been reliant and if we don't transition like you argue then we'd be permanently reliant.

    Not all energy policy has been coherent I agree and the move away from nuclear was a mistake in that regard however what you argue for here is permanent dependency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    The old America yes. But MAGA is a far right ideology that does not believe in alliances, only deals, and doesn't believe in equals, only enemies of the USA or subservient states. A lot of those people really hate Europe and are very happy to punish it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,089 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I dealt with that in another post just now. Dominance, certainly, enemy, I don't believe that for 1 minute. It would only serve to make other economies in the middle East stronger and actually take away from the US. You wouldnt have to be a huge economist to see that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I'd argue that MAGA and particularly the Transactional nature of Trump himself are trying to reshape their place into one of Feudal overlord.
    The vassals must pay homage, tribute and service.
    He appoints the leaders of the countries America attacks, and tries to shape the internal politics and policies of "allies" via political interference at every level possible.


    I mentioned in an earlier post that I believe MAGA are pressing the war button now, as they believe they can translate their current (and eroding esp v.China) advantage in military power, into another 50yrs or so of hegemony and they've decided they want that hegemony to be as close to feudalism as they can impose on the modern world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,613 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Having said that, MAGAism is now hugely compromised by its relationship with the terrorist state of Israel. The Trump of 2016, who appeared to be genuinely isolationist, seems to have done a total U-turn and now sees his role as fighting Israel's wars. The likes of Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene seem appalled by this change in direction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    You misunderstood the nature of fanatical ideology. Look at Iran, Israel, Russia. These countries are not guided by common sense and "economic interest", but by all sorts of perverse ideas of historical destiny and duty. USA under Trump Term Two has moved into similar territory. Total dominance and subjugation of everyone else is their overall goal, you either get in line or you are seen as part of the problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Norway will help Norway. Energy crisis can be avoided. Yes it will take some time to get fully running again but there is plenty of coal in Europe and they can tap few more places with proven gas reserves. Also Germany can reopen closed nuclear plants. No need to be dependent on dictatorships and monarchies or USA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,888 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Nobody?

    The first trump administration was a pretty massive indication of which direction the Americans were going.

    One of the big reasons for Ireland to rapidly shift to renewables was always energy security. An island with lots of wind and no oil should be the first to electrify.

    Climate change deniers tend to also be MAGA types. Their brains are soup

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Most of the people who do not like US/Israel also do not have any love for Hamas/Hezbollah/IRGC.

    Normal people in general dislike war and killing so they will be displeased with anyone who start the war or claim their bombs are peaceful and bring democracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,089 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Total scaremongering. The facts are, going forward none of that has or will happen. Despite it being a basket case defensively, the EU economically has held and will easily hold off any such threat by the US. Big talk doesn't make anything true. US has backed off the EU on virtually every promise and threat economically Trumps crew made against the EU. America needs the EU to hold off China economically. Trump will be gone in 3 years. A new presidency, maybe even a new direction. Thats democracy in action.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Exactly. I would bet on few attacks on Kurds. It actually started last night while he was sleeping.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Well said - the EU put all and I mean all of it's eggs in the globalisation project and were so self sure that globalisation is the only answer for the world that the EU never even plotted a plan B, let alone think there was even a need for a Plan B.

    The EU are like deer caught in the headlights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    Absolutely. And as dreadful as Tucker Carlson and MTG are, they at least have the courage to call him out on this with the inevitable backlash, unlike the awful gobshites like Hannity or most Republicans who no matter what Trump does will defend it and deny the contradictions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    Total naivety to think Trump goes in 3 years and everything returns to normal. The world has changed and the EU leaders are still waking up to this, but even they say: the old order and alliances are gone. Yes, under a Democrat president things would improve, we all hope for this, but another Republican could take things even further in a similar direction. This is no longer purely about Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Renewables are not the answer by themselves - you need nuclear and gas as a backup for when the wind doesn't blow and there is a lack of daylight/sunlight. Anyone saying otherwise - their brains are soup.

    The EU have promised Marginal Pricing Policy reform since the Russian invasion of Ukraine, nothing has been done at all. The citizens of Europe have been paying hefty electricity prices as a result and that's especially acute here in Ireland along with Denmark and Germany.

    You then have solar projects taking over prime agri land in Ireland and other EU countries which are bringing no benefit whatsoever to the consumer.

    The greening of the electricity supply has been detrimental to the consumer and has only served huge corporate interests in the sectors.

    If one good thing comes out of the economic shock this past week is to show how inept the EU are as a force for the consumer. Banning chargers from being shipped with iPhones and the likes is akin to fiddling while Rome burns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭somenergy


    Modern day effects are felt more than history ireland had a rough time now booming

    Iran could be the same an educated young demographic regarded as a sanctioned middle power developing nation with no obvious political opposition because the be lated current put in jail, exiled or killed

    I take no side here do not need a history lesson but hope this can turn around

    90 million becoming potential consumers opening up to western values and freedoms while some are going backward even shouting 4 its death is not just their thing anymore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    People are going to get hurt economically. Already I can see more cars at the carpools down in Kildare. Unless you can go off grid, the price of everything is going to rocket



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    This just reinforces what I believed to be the case before, is that Iran attacked US assets in these territories to show that they could. The apology and the threat to do so again if they are attacked from those US assets might make those states think twice before allowing the US to use them in their campaign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    We wouldn't be reliant if we had been building nuclear not shutting them down.

    Where's the end game in the short to medium term without nuclear, without fossils and moving more and more to renewables? Think of a deep cold depression over europe for a week; at night with a growing number looking to charge cars and heat homes with electricity what powers that in the short to medium term

    People talk about energy without understanding that we don't pay for energy we pay for order. People don't understand order and we end up thinking we can replace 50GW or fossil/nuclear energy with a 50GW wind/solar sector.

    We can't. Not without huge costs to compensate for the higher entropy system you have just built.

    All our major competitors we are doing something else while we are left with rising energy costs with an AI revolution looming; guess what happens to gross energy demand if we are part of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    People only properly recovered from the 2008 recession around 2017. There were three good years between 2017 and 2020 then Covid, followed by the Ukraine war and now this Iran war. People have been and continue to hurt economically since the onset of Covid which led to massive inflation thereafter.

    But there has to be a point where people say, feck this - not going on anymore with these price hikes and constant gouging. There has to be a breaking point now where consumers will shout stop and this will most likely be with reduced footfall and purchasing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,089 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I never said it would return to what it was before, but what is normal? Is normal is what you perceive it to be or what it was? Normals change every day to new normals. Democracy changes normals and will do so again. The next president of the US could be a bigger knob than Trump, but that doesn't mean hed be any worse or better either. The EU could turn into an economic shambles, but if it does then the US will be weaker for it, and even the biggest right wing knob if he knows anything about economics, knows that. Even as weak as Europe is militarily, without it, the US is very weakened also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    US to send the George Bush aircraft carrier to the middle east shortly. France has sent it's aircraft carrier and the UK is also preparing to deploy one of it's two.

    I thought Trump just declared victory a couple of hours ago. starting to think we are not being told the whole picture here for some reason.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Utter nonsense, but, as usual, every attempt is made to portray the despotic Iranian regime as both all-powerful and playing some sort of 5-D chess that all of us should simply marvel at.

    The reality?

    President Masoud Pezeshkian has no real control over his own Revolutionary Guard, and individual commanders are simply picking random targets to satisfy their own bloodlust, and impotence at being unable to strike any form of real blow against the Great Satan.

    "The message, (below) seemingly filmed in a hurry without professional broadcast equipment, underlined the limited powers exercised by the theocracy's leaders over the paramilitary Revolutionary Guard, which controls the ballistic missiles targeting Israel and other countries. It (IRGC) answered only to Khamenei and now appears to be picking its own targets."

    “I should apologize to the neighboring countries that were attacked by Iran, on my own behalf,” the president said. “From now on, they should not attack neighboring countries or fire missiles at them, unless we are attacked by those countries. I think we should solve this through diplomacy.”

    Sounds more like a man desperately attempting to assert control to me, but sure, its all a fiendishly clever plan to make the Yanks think twice.

    https://us.yahoo.com/news/articles/iranian-attacks-target-gulf-states-060916524.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,286 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Sending another aircraft carrier demonstrates the original US plan has failed. Nothing unusual about that in a war situation but is another carrier likely to solve the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,214 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Interesting article on the brutality and bullying of western imperialism..

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2026/03/joy-at-death-and-destruction/

    The United States and Israel are both revelling in inflicting the maximum possible death and suffering on Iran. After the genocide in Gaza, on a far larger field in Iran, those in power in Israel and the USA have a lust to kill and they revel in impunity.

    The Epstein files reveal the same dynamic. We live in a society where those who obtain power wish to exercise it in the cruellest possible ways against the most defenceless. It appears to be a feature of late western capitalist society, where sociopathic tendencies are essential to obtaining power, in a society which rejects altrusim and cooperation as concepts and promotes competition, self-love and ruthlessness.

    Pete Hegseth, American Secretary for War, simply comes over as a Nazi thug. He plainly is enjoying this as much as Netanyahu, Ben Gvir or Smotrich. He has gloatingly promised “Death and destruction from the sky, all day long”. He repeatedly signals ever escalating bombing.

    The Iranian Red Crescent has listed the bombing destruction so far. It includes:
    5,535 civilian residential units
    1,041 commercial units
    65 schools
    14 hospitals and medical centres
    13 Red Crescent Society bases



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    There’s serious tension between Iran and Azerbaijan. For years, Iran has accused Azerbaijan of encouraging separatism in its Azeri minority and of being a base for Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Looking like it's going to be bomber fest in the UK for this. Support flights for B-52's ongoing and already 5 x B-1's in RAF Fairford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,266 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Exactly, maga is the norm therefore for ordinary decent Americans the bar will sink lower and lower until we can't hang with them anymore



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    So USNC clear that regime change is unlikely and Trump considering ground troops. So this is what "winning" looks like…


    Haaretz:

    A classified report by the U.S. National Intelligence Council concluded that even a large-scale U.S. assault on Iran would be unlikely to topple its clerical and military establishment, according to people familiar with the report cited by The Washington Post.

    On Friday, the State Department said it is fast-tracking a $151.8 million weapons sale to Israel, including thousands of precision-guided munitions, without congressional approval.
    This came as current and former U.S. officials told NBC News the president has a "serious interest" in deploying American ground troops in Iran.



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