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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod - discuss the topic, not other posters and their contributions. This is just baiting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Is this just a really weird way of saying you're okay with war crimes? Btw, the US last real "victory" was WW2. You may have had success in scenarios but they don't historically win wars. Check the history books btw, you'll find they tend to contain everything from the My Lai Massacre to Abu Ghraib. War crimes committed by the US over the decades don't tend to get forgotten.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭csirl


    Some of the news channels have done some good analysis of these reports in the past. If its true, I expect one of them to get to the bottom of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Your claim of hundreds of thousands killed by chemical weapons in Syria was clearly untrue. A mere 7000% exaggeration yet instead of being more careful about spreading falsehoods you spread more, claiming use of chemical weapons by Russia and Iran in Syria.

    Do you have any evidence of the use of chemical weapons by either Russian or Iranian forces in Syria or is this another fabrication?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Christ seeing that Iranian warship get blown out of the water was uncomfortable viewing knowing there was 180 people on it.

    If it was participating in the war I'd say something but the thing was thousands of kilometres away in Sri Lanka. Surely the Americans could have given them the opportunity to surrender rather than the cold blooded murder of the crew.

    Ordinary Joe soaps paying the ultimate price for the scumbags on both sides at the top.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    No one served a day in prison for the My Lai massacre. One person was convicted and served time under house arrest.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Don’t worry, give the propagandists a couple of weeks and we will be adopting a dehumanising term for human beings in Iranian uniforms which will make it much more palatable to watch them being killed.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Karoline Leavitt strongly denied it for what that denial is worth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The utterly ridiculous claim from the USA that Iran was 2 weeks away from a nuclear bomb is just parrotted by news anchors - unreal that they even think it credible to ask someone about it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭gk5000


    Yes, I allowed for that in my post.

    Could they or another vessel or plane have issued a warning by radio say?

    And again, they was no mad hurry or immediate threat as it was over 2000 miles away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The is an example of the gung-ho, no rules US administration. They and their supporters will be crying into their nappies if anyone else attacked a US asset anywhere in the world



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,821 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    These rumours seem to be absolutely rubbish with all Kurdish groups indicating that they are involved in no such operation and no sign of any conflict taking place. Bizarrely US officials appear to be briefing that there is a Kurdish insurrection taking place, but those briefings seem to be based on rumours that are circulating on social media.

    This is such a farce. No popular uprising and no ethnic uprising.

    Keep in mind the US recently stabbed the Kurdish militants in Syria in the back. I'd be shocked if they were willing to do their dirty work in Iran so soon after that betrayal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    I believe the Israeli government has banned sharing visuals of Iranian bomb strikes on social media, which didn't happen during the last flair up last year. Iran did hit specific military assets then so they're probably more cautious about perceptions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    Typical American play, pure cowardice played out like a video game. A press release interspersed with nonsense about American power projection and "Bad guys". They're almost as insufferable as the Israelis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


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    Fox news spreading misinformation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭malibu4u


    Iran killed many people through its proxies in the past few decades, this was payback time. The Iranian military forces have attacked a dozen different countries in the past 4 or 5 days. They could have surrendered while at port in Sri Lanka but did not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,737 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    About the same killed in one go as the number of total road deaths in Ireland last year .

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    Looks like Israeli's are combusting. Confined to bunkers, food shortages, lack of faith in the Iron Dome and lack of visibility of political leaders in a time of crisis. The author of tweet says there's a real fear of Israel descending into civil war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Fair point. Saving potential missiles for US warships maybe?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Packrat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    put "civil disobedience israel" into the search box on X and it'll bring it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    So it's kinda the equivalent to Iran backing and forming/supporting militias in places like Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and Gaza with the aim of attacking Israel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'm pretty sure trump already shared a video to that tune. It's always been the chant for the American military complex.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I don't contribute anything to that sick fcuk or his platform. I can read tweets if linked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Yes. Bear in mind we are talking about a fanatical theocratic regime, by which I mean Iran on this occasion. What do you expect the leadership of such a country to do? Again do you think large Iranian military bases in ‘neutral’ countries would have been left intact by Israel? The Iranian policy has a rational purpose just as Israel and America do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    In theory they could, of course, but it would be an incredibly recklessly unlikely thing to do. The operational practices of Nuclear Submarines (SSN) are no exactly public. Even low level grunts in the submarine crews will generally not tell you anything beyond banal generalities about how they operate, and their capabilities. (Allegedly there was investigations after Tom Clancy published the Hunt for Red October, as aspects of it were far too realistic).

    More than likely the SSN was given the intelligence sometime in the last week about the likely movements of the Iranian ship, and tasked to sink it. After that there's a good chance that the SSN wouldn't have had much communication with the outside world. The precise hows, wheres and whens of the sinking would have been left to SSN's command. It's possible the commander may have re-checked for late confirmation to carry out the sinking (That's said to have happened when the Belgrano was sunk, but circumstances were not the same there), but my own guess, given how the rest of the war has been progressing, is that the initial orders would have been more than enough.

    Any message to that ship to surrender or be sunk would have alerted them to the fact that they were an immenant target. The Iranians are not fools (They also have never shown much inclination to surrender either). They would have been much more actively looking for submarine threats. There is no realistic way that it would be worth risking a highly expensive and rare asset like an SSN (not to mention its crew), on the off chance that you might have the only Iranian military outfit who would surrender rather than go down fighting on that ship. It's just not realistic in the real non-ideal world where this war is taking place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    I'm not surprised you have no link to back that obvious rubbish up. Yet again, you have no idea what iron dome is. The Isrealis have so much confidence in it that cities have launched legal cases against the military to force them to have batteries protecting them (they were thrown out, unsurprisingly). They appear to have been active in Northern Israel countering the Hezbollah attacks with the usual high levels of success (That's the kind of threat that Iron Dome is designed to counter, not the Ballistic missiles that the Iranians are launching against Israel). Much more interestingly I've seen some videos which seem to indicate that Iron Beam is being used operationally up there (And it looked extremely effective on that particular video). If you don't know what that means, do google it. It's a major game changing leap in defensive weaponry.

    The Israelis are used to being threatened and under attack. They have emerged from much much more difficult circumstances than they are experiencing here (Yom Kipur war, for example). The chances of what you are saying being true are pretty much zero.

    You should follow more realistic tweeters who are more clued in, not wishful thinkers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Oh, if they any chance of firing a few off in the direction of a carrier I'm sure they'll have a go. But its hard to hit small static targets precisely with Ballistic missiles at range. Hitting a small moving target would pure luck. They'll know they have a very slim chance of getting near to hitting one. The best they could hope for is for the USN to have to use some (very expensive indeed, and therefore relatively rare) Standard ABM missiles to take one down. I think it's pretty simple here, and what all the expert commentary are saying. The Iranians have more missiles that can hit Israel than Israel have ABMs to defend against them. The Iranians will be hoping to force the Israelis to have to choose which targets to defend if/when their ABM stocks become too depleted. In the meantime the Israels and Americans are hitting every trace of every Iranian missile facility in Iran that they can find.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    That would not be a shock to anyone actually in the military, even if the Cole bombing hadn't happened. We assume we're targets just roaming around the US as it is, let alone on a warship on the seas. We've cut bases off from public access. We're reminded to travel not in uniform, have no markings on our cars marking us as military, and so on. Most of us say 'feck it, we'll take our chances' and disregard it to one extent or another, but we don't ignore that it's out there.

    "Terrorism", IMO, is a word which has been stretched beyond legitimate meaning in the US.

    In theory, yes. I suspect the immediate Iranian reaction would be to make best speed for Colombo, or whatever neutral port was nearby, likely in the hope that the ship would be interned by the neutral power, and returned to Iran after a ceasefire, which, of course, would defeat the US goal of sinking every warship in the Iranian gulf fleet. I genuinely cannot fathom a captain of any warship in any navy striking his colors just because someone transmitting from an airplane a few miles away sent a radio message. If anything, you'll end up with the Iranian version of "American Warship, go F yourself" which would be a PR victory in itself. Put simply, I don't see how there would have been any benefit to the US for doing so.

    Whilst it's possible that that's the case, it's a logic flaw to assume it must be.

    It's entirely possible to fit a mix of PAC-2 and PAC-3 on the same launcher.

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    If a target coming over the horizon is a difficult one which requires the use of an expensive PAC-3, then fire that. If, however, it's something a little simpler (say a Shaheed or older ballistic missile), and you have PAC-2s in inventory near the shelf-life date which are perfectly capable of dealing with them, why on Earth would you leave them in the back of the storage shed and not fire them until you've run out of the better stuff? It seems that Iran isn't firing salvos of sufficient density that Qatar has to load only PAC-3s to deal with the threat.



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