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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    I hope Doak gets 20 minutes, see what he's like at this level.

    Good team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,403 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Delighted to see Doak get a shot. Unfortunately I don’t think Casey has looked up to it despite 28 appearances and 10 starts since 2021. Good provincial player but I think his size is a major achilles hill. Himself and Prendergast really struggled against Italy.

    Doak can goal kick, is big for a 9 and can cover 10 if needs be. Also gives a nice counter balance to what JGP brings to the 9 jersey in the way Conor Murray did. Hoping it goes well for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Not a huge amount of complaints from me on that team. TOB not involved at all feels harsh, no need to rest him from as he was dropped for Italy so management can't point to that. Stockdale needs a really big game. Feel he is running out of chances at this level.

    Would possibly have given Ringrose a rest and started 1 of Farrell/Postlethwaite. Can see the logic in not a huge amount of unforced changes though.

    Excited to see Doak and Stewart, both having excellent seasons. Can see Doak leapfrogging Casey if he takes his chance.

    Cian Prendergast is unlucky he plays where he does. A great player but losses out due to the back row being so stacked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Bryne has the worst luck. A concussion in one of the worst matches in Irish rugby history costs him a likely 6Ns appearance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Think Milne is very lucky to be included after his high error count last weekend.


    Good to see Doak get a chance, I’m skeptical that he has the speed or physicality for this level but will happily be proven wrong.

    This could very easily become one of those games where the majority of the backline are all playing out of position by the time the clock hits 80.

    VDF and McCarthy off the bench should be enough to deal with any confidence Wales start to grow if they are still in it at 50 mins.

    What’s important though is to prove that the England game wasn’t a flash in the pan. We need a solid error free performance again with set piece holding up because it’s the area every team is going to target as being our weakest



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  • Administrators Posts: 56,305 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Stockdale is lucky, I didn't expect him to rotate back in so quickly.

    A home game against an abject Wales team, he really does need to grab this opportunity with both hands as there will be no excuses for not putting in a performance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Physicality? He's competing for a jersey with Craig Casey?!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Not sure why you think he was likely to get an appearance? The very fact he was released suggests otherwise?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Don’t think physicality can go against Doak when he is up against Casey to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    HAPPY - No 6/2 Bench. Doak and Stewart getting a chance with Kelleher & Timoney starting.

    Not Happy - With 5/3 Bench with no Bryn Ward, SP or TOB

    Assuming TOB MUST be injured.

    Starting Stockdale! After Paris and all? Andy Farrell is a sentimental soul. Mee is no Attisogbe, but I dont think thats a good selection. JOB would better.

    Starting TOT! He may never start another game again for club or country at LH after this 6N. A waste. Just start him at TH if you want him to get involved that badly.

    Wales have 14 consecutive losses in the 6N.

    I hope Doak is given a good 30mins!

    I didnt see the Zebre game. Was the high error count for Milne at scrum time?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Grabbing anything with both hands would be a positive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I think he would be benching ahead of Frawley, as Doak is ahead of Casey



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I doubt it. Frawley is there to cover 15 I assume. Absolutely no need for 10/12 cover with Farrell on the bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Tommybojangles


    Why do so many people have an issue with TOT? Our first 3 choices at his position are injured. Loughman for me has shown this tournament he's not really an option, scrum has been pulverised (Not solely his fault) and he has added little around the field. Why not see if TOT might have something to offer. For a coach who get's accused of takignt he safe option too much this is a shot to nothing really. Paddy, porter, Boyle are all hopefully goign to be back int he picture next year and even if you allow for maybe one of them not getting back to form then either Loughman, TOT or Milne will be 3rd choice and we might as well have a look at all of them starting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭vetinari


    This is the kind of game that I'd expect Sam Prendergast to do well in.
    His skillset works well against opposition where we're on top in the forwards.
    Still a bit puzzled by Frawley now being ahead of him.
    It's some fall for him from starting the first two games!


    I guess its just for broader bench cover?
    I'm not a fan though of expecting your 10 to play a full 80 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭50HX


    Loughman is injured so both Milne & TOT have to be involved.

    May as well start TOT to see how he goes, similar to Doak getting time off the bench.

    Well done Farrell on selection.

    Stockdale has to have a stormer imo but worth the look again now that Lowe is out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Tommybojangles


    I make that 26 different players who started a game in this six nations (31 if you include the games against the Tri Nations in the Autumn, leaving out Japan becasue people will try to argue that wasn't a proper game) with another 6 who have appeared off the bench. Which should (but won't) put to bed the horse manure narrative about conservative selection.

    And before anyone screams about it only happening becasue of injuries, the following have been left out of teams in that run while being fully fit:

    Porter, Sheehan, Beirne, Ryan, Joe Mac, VDF, JGP, Both 10s, Lowe, Henshaw, Aki.


    Stockdale, O'Brien, Baird, Paddy Mac, Balacoune, Osborne and at a stretch maybe Clarkson (Nort sure if he was ever really ahead of furlong) have alll graduated to being first choice imo in that time, Stockdale and O Brien fell away again, Paddy and Baird got injured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,758 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You obviously didn't read all my post. The very end of it you need to read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Is it not now 27 with Kelleher, TOT and Timoney starting?

    2026 Six Nations, first three rounds

    Total players used: 30. In starting XVs: 24. Players to have started all three games: 7. Players who have played 240 minutes: 2 (Doris, McCloskey).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,295 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Stockdale was poor but markedly better than TOB against France, so fair that he gets another opportunity to redeem himself, as TOB did. He needs to take it though. This might be his last Six Nations squad otherwise.

    When Stewart and Doak were taken off for Ulster against the Ospreys at 50 minutes, there was quite a bit of conjecture that they'd be playing for Ireland this week. Delighted for both of them, as I am for Timoney. Speaking of which, that's a mighty back row to be starting. Hopefully we get tore into them and Welsh heads drop.

    Worried about TOT at loosehead. Might become an issue and overshadow everything else he does - the Welsh scrum is pretty solid. They're no mugs in that regard. I don't think many are convinced - he's just about a stopgap in that position.

    Concerned about how undroppable Ringrose is. Anonymous against Italy, poor against France. Good against England. He needs to have a good game more than one in three run-outs. I will say Postlethwaite isn't a 13. Superb player at inside centre, but there's a notable drop-off at outside.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    I never mentioned Casey, but as you bring him up I can’t remember a time when he was left wanting physically. He’s no Conor Murray or Tomas O Leary in defence but neither is JGP and maybe it’s the edge that Doak can get over him but I don’t see Doak having the physical ability that Tomos Williams or Ben Spencer have and he is bigger than them.

    Time will tell, hopefully he goes well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Errors all over. Knocks ons, defense giving away penalties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,223 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Only way Doak gets 30 minutes is if Ireland are winning by 50 AND JGP gets hit by a bus.

    Both will need to happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Frawley doesn't need to cover 15 with Stockdale picked. If Brybe was healthy, he's covering centres or one of TOB/ JOB is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565


    Cruel on Tommy O’Brien.

    Casey needed to be dropped though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Anything is possible!!

    Ireland are currently on a record run against Wales in the Championship with 4 consecutive wins.

    Wales have beaten Ireland 5 consecutive times on 4 occasions. 1907-1911, 1913-22, 1957-61, 1975-1979.

    Even if I cant see Ireland racking up anything like 50 with the side picked, Doak might get still get those 30mins!

    Last time Ireland scored 50 points v Wales was in 2002 (54-10) - Think its biggest win between the sides.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Stockdale can't cover 15 - there is no other back 3.

    I find it difficult to believe Farrell was planning Byrne/TOB on the bench but changed it to Frawley/Farrell because of Byrne's injury. It wouldn't make any sense given Frawley also covers centre (and better than Byrne).

    The most obvious answer seems the likliest - Byrne is the 4th choice 10 and was never in contention for the squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭bigmac86


    Ringrose moves to wing like he has done before, farrell to 13, stockdale to 15



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭bigmac86


    Ringrose moves to wing like he has done before, farrell to 13, stockdale to 15



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,589 ✭✭✭standardg60


    This is what flummoxes me re TOB. Who's our wing cover?

    Frawley? Ringrose? JGP??

    Murphy's law says one of the wingers gets injured..

    Glad to see Doak getting a run.



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