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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Farrell had broader experience though. Went from the English 2015 ticket to Schmidt's 2019 one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,788 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Easterby was head coach of the Scarlets



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭50HX


    In head coach terms as of now he's still wet behind the years.

    The majority of his coaching career has been as a skills & coaching.

    I'm not taking away from his u20 work nor the turn around at Ulster but if for some reason the improvement at Ulster stalls is he still in the conversation post RWC?

    There's alot of water to pass yet inc Farrell turning down an offer to stay on which I assume he will get if he hasn't lined up a different direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    2023 World Cup, first three rounds

    Total players used: 29. In starting XVs: 20. Players to have started all three games: 10. Players who have played 240 minutes: 4 (Beirne, Lowe, Aki, Keenan).

    2025 Six Nations, first three rounds

    Total players used: 27. In starting XVs: 23. Players to have started all three games: 6. Players who have played 240 minutes: 3 (Beirne, Van der Flier, Lowe).

    2026 Six Nations, first three rounds

    Total players used: 30. In starting XVs: 24. Players to have started all three games: 7. Players who have played 240 minutes: 2 (Doris, McCloskey).

    2027 World Cup, first three rounds

    v Portugal 4th Oct

    v Scotland 10th Oct

    v Uruguay 17th Oct

    Targets:

    Total players used: 30 33. In starting XVs: 20 29.

    Players to start all three games: 10 0 .

    Players who will have played 240 minutes: 4 0



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,351 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Lack of Irish coaches in foreign rugby leagues and national teams is an issue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,652 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    If we have a poor RWC in 2027 then there’s a chance the IRFU will argue that they need to change the mould slightly and do things differently to how they did it before, so I could absolutely see ROG being in the mix even if he never works in Irish rugby before then.

    I would fully expect ROG to be in the mix and while he wouldn’t necessarily be my first choice, I would obviously support him 100% if he got the gig, and could easily see him doing a great job if he got it. He’s an excellent coach who can definitely pick a gameplan to maximise the strengths of his squad and he’s undoubtedly a superb motivator of players.

    I think he should have left LAR last season when there seemed to be plenty of opportunities to do so as it looks like things have gotten stale there now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I think we have a pretty strong cohort currently, just not as head coaches. We're also somewhat only now seeing that first-ish generation of fully professional players becoming coaches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,313 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Some former Munster players who are coaching or coached abroad

    Flannery, Donnacha Ryan, ROG, Prendergast, James Coughlan, Felix Jones, Dougall

    (Other former Munster players who coached, Mossie Lalor, POC, Mick O'Driscoll, Dutchy, Jim Williams)

    Others that coached or are coaching abroad Girvan Dempsey, Mark McCall, Noel Mc, John Muldoon, Johnny Bell, Nigel Carolan, Jackman, Justin Fitzpatrick, Jeremy Davidson



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭shimmieandshake


    https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/six-nations/doubts-over-futures-of-james-lowe-bundee-aki-and-jamison-gibson-park-as-trio-offered-to-english-and-french-clubs/a803126975.html

    Has anybody read this Indo article? Behind a paywall, so I can't read, but I'm hoping the content isn't as worrying as the headline?

    Would be a great time for Bundee to leave, and Lowe to a lesser extent. But we surely want to be doing everything to keep JGP?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭50HX


    Not lack of coaches....lack of head coaches.

    Its a particular skillset that not many coaches posses.

    There isn't that many irish head coaches around...plenty of skills,attack & backs coaches though



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,652 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    It’s by that spoofer ROC so comes with a shovel of salt, but cannot imagine they aren’t doing everything imaginable to keep JGP.

    He is arguably as important to the national team as any player in Irish rugby. I can’t think of another position where the gap to second choice is so stark, and in one of the most pivotal positions on the field.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,409 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    I think JGP is that important that I actually wouldn't be that surprised if Ireland made an exception and kept picking him if he did go abroad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭ersatz


    ROC got a scoop on the razor story and is looking for another one. His story about Farrell was brutally slapped down by Saracens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,205 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    As an Ulster fan I'd have absolutely no issues with ROG becoming the next head coach.

    However, unlike at LAR, he can't suddenly find 145 kg Irish props or 6ft 8 135kg second rows or magic some mercurial backs with outstanding handling and running skills.

    We've a relatively small playing group and it's fair to say we punch well above our weight in world rugby terms.

    The IRFU aren't exactly known for their ability to look externally for the coaching ticket but I suppose none of us know what might happen if and when Andy decides to call it a day.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I have zero personal issue with ROG being the Ireland coach. If he got it and was successful happy days. I have reservations about his ability to adapt to international rugby but you kinda only learn by doing there.

    I have zero interest in the circus he makes of things frequently and I imagine the IRFU are of a similar bent. However I have no clue who they would look at instead. Might well just be Andy again...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,758 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ROG is not going to be Ireland head coach because I dint believe he'll ever want it, maybe in his late sixties.

    As regards his outbursts and I've said it already, look at Rassie and you'll see exactly what he's at. It's not losing the head it's on purpose. Veer the negative press towards himself and away from his players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,590 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    I've heard stories from multiple people in rugby that ROG won't be coaching in Ireland for a good few years for financial reasons. I have no evidence just stories from several sources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    sounds like the same rubbish that he had a load of gambling debt in his playing days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Jelly Welly


    well Harry didn’t do his Ireland chances much use tonight



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,924 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    What didn't he show in his 3 minutes of rugby tonight??

    Id argue not playing tonight actually helped his Ireland chances.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,590 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Maybe. Just heard it from a few unconnected sources but no evidence so could be complete shite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,154 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    he means he didn’t see the match but saw the score and found a reason to put the boot into a Leinster player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,788 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Harry Byrne ruled out. Aki, Henshaw and JOB called up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    shite buzz



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭almostover


    I'll lose my nut if Stu McCloskey gets replaced by either of the first 2 mentioned unless he picks up an injury. Our player of the tournament so far. Id do see us sticking to a 5/3 split from now on with Henshaw in the 23 jersey however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,489 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    I would say there is absolutely 0% chance McCloskey doesn't start if it. Lm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,652 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    I think they might throw Bundee on the bench in the 23 shirt to give him a send off, as I suspect this might be his final cap.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Any thoughts on the JOB call up?

    Certainly not deserved after Friday and thought there is enough cover with Osbourne and Stockdale in the squad is my own view. Not sure on that one.

    Aki I hope is there for almost vibes at this stage. A good guy to have around camp on and match day but shouldn’t be in the match day squad. Henshaw aswell in is a bit of a head scratcher.

    Could there be something in central contracts that says if fit, they must be called up? I could understand calling up 1, but both doesn’t make too much sense to me.



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