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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,335 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭MrSing


    So no safe zone from politics with you so.

    Gotcha.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,335 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You don't seem to realize that just because politics can influence sport at some point, or because sport can be influenced by politics, that doesn't mean it has to happen on every occasion. As it clearly doesn't.

    Do you find you need a safe space from politics?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭MrSing


    Dont need a safe space from it but I find it can be devisive.

    It never works at Christmas dinner neither or first date, beauty pageants, BBQ.

    I draw a line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    I think a point many miss is hunger. As a nation we fell victim to a famine thanks to the British. So when the Zionist regime imposed famine on Gaza as well as a genocide it revolted the Irish people except for Alan Shatter and his fellow Zionists. I mention Shatter as he's probably the most high profile Zionist in Ireland and everybody knows who he is. The Israeli's forced malnutrition on the Palestinian people. That's sick.

    Ultimately I'm not in favour of the match being played. If it is then let players be allowed to pull out on grounds of conscience and not be punished for so doing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,335 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Politics influences Christmas dinners and first dates for the vast majority of people at some point or another.

    In fact, more and more it's becoming a mandatory first date question as people want to weed out potential partners who may be in favour of their health being put at risk for example.

    Can't say I'm an expert on beauty pageants. I know the current President of the US (the guy who started a war last week) was previously famous for various acts around them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭MrSing


    Might explain why theres such high levels of loneliness.

    The guy in the Whitehouse always starts wars, he is the most likely one on earth to start one but I hear you😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Nicaragua brought the case against Germany with respect to Germany providing military equipment to Israel which Israel allegedly used in Gaza.

    Germany denies the accusation and maintains there are strict controls in what equipment they provide and what it is used for. Most of that equipment is not used in combat operations (Germany's assertion). The ICJ refused to state "provisional measures" against Germany though the broader case is still in process.

    Contrast that with Israel. The SA case of Genocide was found to be plausible and the ICJ issued provisional measures for Israel to abide by. Israel refused. The ICJ issued further provisional measures against Israel which they have again refused to implement.

    14 signatories have either enjoined the SA case, have stated they will participate or have requested permission to intervene.

    In addition to the Genocide case, the ICJ ruled last summer that Israel is illegally occupying the occupied territories and that they must leave immediately and pay reparations to the Palestinians.

    In principle, I agree that Ireland should fulfil its mandated competitive fixtures. However, FIFA is failing to uphold its own rules by allowing Israel to compete. Israel should be banned, but they're not. If Ireland fails to play, we'd be in serious trouble. But I would be supportive, as is the Ireland Manager, of any player(s) who refuse(s) to play,

    As for friendlies, each should be judged on its merits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,712 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I heard someone sat that '' he founded the Board of Peace and then got bored of peace ''.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,693 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    So you want to leave it up to individual players what they want to do.

    Which is guaranteed to cause division within the camp.

    This is the worst take I have seen on it yet on damaging Irish football.

    If this game is to be called off it should be done at UEFA level.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    FAI have no real option but to play, their primary responsibility and obligation is to their employees and playing matches is the primary source of income to fulfil that obligation.

    Its all very well for people who dont have to account for the fall out to criticise the FAI or demand a boycott, it's very different if you are the one who might end up having to explain to hundreds of employees why they havent been paid recently and wont be for a while etc.

    Brian kerr was criticising the FAI recently for making people redundant yet now he wants them to boycott two games which could cost them €10M or more. The FAI are not going to be able to borrow their way out of that hole.

    I have watched A lot of the SM clips of former players, pundits etc, and nobody seems to be bringing this up to any degree. The FAI are in a difficult position. But the simple reality is they cannot take a stand that pretty much nobody else is willing to, and sacrifice jobs etc and the expectation that they do that is nuts frankly.

    The other thing that bothers me in general is the way the loony lefties bang the drum about all these issues around the world and go on like Ireland has some sort of actual influence on them. We are a tiny little dot on the global scale and the over inflated sense of self importance is staggering.

    There is one person on the face of this earth who actually matters whennit comes to ending all this and that's Donald J Trump. No amount of posturing by Pb4P or the Shinners or Daniel Lambert is going to change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Well opinion polls would suggest that people are more concerned about major issues closer to home such as housing, health care, immigration mess, cost of living etc and see that as the governments priority

    Its also totally fine for the vast majority of people to be appalled at the Palestine situation but at the same time see issues closer to home as a bigger priority for our government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    Back in 2025 the FAI voted to request that Israel be banned from international football competition.

    But that vote came from the grassroots who can do these things without a care for the financial impact.

    At the time the top brass said that they would play Israel if drawn against them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    But that vote came from the grassroots who can do these things without a care for the financial impact.

    The vote was put to the General Assembly.

    Everyone in football from pro to amateur to grassroots is effected by FAI revenue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    But it's much easier for someone down the food chain to vote for something like this.

    It's like the GAA and Allianz, the higher ups know why it would harm the association, but that doesn't stop the grassroots demanding a boycott.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    But it's much easier for someone down the food chain to vote for something like this.

    It was overwhelmingly carried.

    The motion was passed with 74 votes in favour, seven against and two abstentions.

    It's like the GAA and Allianz, the higher ups know why it would harm the association, but that doesn't stop the grassroots demanding a boycott.

    Examples?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Peter Canavan, Pat Gilroy are two recent examples. They are calling for a boycott based on their own personal opinion essentially. They aren't the ones who have to make ends meet etc, or deal with the fall out of breaking contracts.

    Likewise Daniel Lambert, Brian Kerr, Roy Curtis, Stephen Bradley and the many pundits on TV etc. If FAI boycotted the games and made 50 people redundant as a result the same people would be up in arms over people losing their jobs.

    I hope Bohemians draw an Israeli team in Europe, the fall out would be hysterical



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Pundits are Pundits, they call on what they want, they are entitled to their opinion.

    Nothing to do with the supposed democratic structure of sporting bodies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I hope Bohemians draw an Israeli team in Europe, the fall out would be hysterical

    So we get to the crux of your views, you couldn't really give a shít about any of it, you just want to stick it to the libs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    Re read my post. You will see I said I'm not in favour of the game being played. Players are adults and are entitled to make adult decisions and it is not unreasonable to expect other adults to respect whatever decision they come to.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,693 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Well thankfully we haven't heard of any players refusing to play.

    The adults looking for the game to be called off should respect that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    Absolutely agree. Fingers crossed the game is cancelled. The message has to be gotten out there that what Israel has done and is doing militarily is not acceptable to the world. I do wonder if the war drags on will countries refuse to participate in the world cup?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,014 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    I wonder will the FAI reduce the prize of the tickets for this one. If so it may get more bums on seats. I'd be tempted myself if they were priced at a reasonable level. Let's see



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Not a hope in hell, would be a PR disaster for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,693 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    The only people who will benefit from that would be the Israel football team.

    Thankfully it's looking like we are going to use common sense and play them and try beat them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    It would be very interesting if Bohemians did draw an Israeli team.

    European competition is the backbone of the finances for LOI teams.

    The likely outcome would be Bohemians boycotting the game, being thrown out of Europe and banned, and asking the Government to pony up support to keep the club going because.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Where did I say i didn't give a **** about any of it?

    Doesn't really matter what I think, I cannot change any of it so im not going to stress myself endlessly like some people are when i have my own life to get on with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    A lot of words for someone who now pretends to not care about any of it.

    All you want to do is rant about loony lefties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,335 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The Palestinians would absolutely benefit if the game was cancelled. Because that would be the first step in the direction of action being taken against Israel in a way that their former President felt would have a very significant impact on the country.

    Doesn't mean the game would be cancelled one day, and Palestine would be free and unbothered the next, or that Israel would actually be disciplined at this point.

    But it is the first step. And that's how everything is achieved.

    It's laughable to see post after post here talking about "common sense" when we are talking about one of the most disrupting nations on the planet who are actively carrying out a genocide and have started a new war in the last week.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Exactly you’re only concerned about ranting about the left.



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