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Liverpool FC Premier League Champions 25/26 - Talk /Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,358 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Last year the vibe was Salah was going to be like Ronaldo, go on and play well into his 30's, and there was no fear in giving him a new contract. So it's hard to explain Salah's lack of goals, Ronaldo, and Mane are still tearing it up. Ronaldo could actual win his first league title in Saudi this season, would catch up to Roy Keane in titles, Roy 8, Ronaldo 7. We shouldn't have seen such a drop off in Salah, it can only be tactical, physically he's the same, that was a great goal tonight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,136 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    We see at international level that Ronaldo's only a fraction of the player he used to be… Saudi league is just a retirement league. But that's grand, he's over 40, he had as much longevity as anyone ever realistically could. Sadio on the other hand was already struggling 3 years ago in the Bundesliga, and looked like top level football was beyond him. Like Ronaldo, the Saudi retirement league is doing wonders to keep him playing highly paid ball at a much lower level.

    I don't think Mo is done yet, but he's definitely in physical decline. Has lost a lot of his pace, and some of his strength too - just tonight he was muscled off the ball so many times in situations he'd have bounced his way through before. I still think he's a handful when he plays narrower (like the position he picked the ball up in to score tonight), but as someone who can impact a game with pace and power from wide, he's finished unfortunately. We need to adapt how we use him if he's gonna stay.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,326 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    Yeah, i wasn't digging out Szobo. He's absolutely being asked to do it, is likely the best at it, and so has become the fulcrum of the team while doing that job.

    He was a cog in a machine under Klopp, though not our 'best player' who dictates our play.

    But it's further evidence of Slot being a Pep disciple. Szobo is his KDB. Whereas I'd prefer him to be in a team structure where he's our Wijnaldum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭DRedSky


    I think it’s ok to be very grateful to Slot for what he achieved last season, while at the same time recognising he’s not the right manager for us in the medium/long term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Who is the right manager for us in the medium/long term?

    I think Alonso is more of the same. Maybe even slower and more methodical in build up.

    Would Iraola be a better fit for what fans seem to want?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭The Subliminal Verses


    Have tickets for the Spurs game, I debating going over now to it !! 🤦‍♂️🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭SM01


    In a refresh/transitioning season one needs to see progression. Alas this team appears stagnant. Some impetus is needed, and I'm not sure that's coming from Slot. He's not solely at fault, but he's the on in the firing line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,066 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    That's quite the bunch of awful takes all rolled up into one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,443 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Wolves with 2 goals from an xG of 0.44.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,211 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    We scored 5 from an xG of 1.92 against West Ham at the weekend, swings and roundabouts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭riddles


    Edwards and Hughes had a long time to put their transfer list together. No one i know would have said Isak was a Liverpool signing at that price. Wirtz was over priced but he is at least great to watch and growing in influence.

    They get paid the big money to know more than we do. However, they have assembled a team that can't achieve what is being asked of by the manager. They have blown the wage expectations in the group and seem to have no knowledge of morale and engagement as important factors in the work place. They are slow in getting contract renewals done most likely because of wage expectations.

    Any group of four or five fans using football manager data could ID better signings than these have been able to do. They didnt help Slot by not adding soemthing fresh in January. They also gave him no support in socialising the distinction between head coach and manager in the vains fans are used to leaving Slot to deal with lots of stuff they are paid to do.

    Slot got his grace period from winning the league but he has truly burned through that with the exposure of all that he doesnt know - like utilising a squad and a lack of pragmatism. Everyone knows Salah cant beat player out wide - try something different.

    Anyway lets look at the positives Slot delivered a title with zero spend in his first season. We could be like Arsenal fans almost a billion spent and embracing the fact they are a loathed side exposing the rules of the game faking head injuries, time wasting and the Conor thing etc.

    We are not that and for that Slot deserves immense respect and credit compared to the knob head Arsenal fans and manager.

    Alonso's history and his potential as a manager makes it great a risk not to get him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,547 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    Liverpool still odds on to finish top 4

    The beauty of chasing top4/5 as opposed to titles you can afford to drop points



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,211 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Not happy with this quote from Slot describing the Wolves winner as "not even a chance."

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    Poor pass from Jones, poor clearance from Ali.

    After that the ball is still here 40+ yards out and they freely carry it to the edge of our box for a shot.

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    I don't understand how a strike from a great angle only 20 yards out can be seen as "not even a chance"

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    It feels like no responsibility is being taken.

    Never mind the fact that even if we didn't concede in the last minute it still would've been a shocking 1-1 draw against the worst team in the league.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    The big elephant in the room is the fact that Slot's is about to have less than one year on his contract at the end of the season. Clubs always look for some sort of justification to provide a new contract, but unless Slot wins the CL or maybe FA cup, I can't see a justification coming. We're at the tail end of the season already, even if there is an uptick in form, how do they know it's going to stick through the summer.

    Without a new contract Slot will be a lame duck, it is untenable to continue, it's basically the club overtly not backing the manager. I would imagine even Slot would give them an ultimatum in this scenario, back me or I'm gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,523 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Looking at the replay of the wolves winner I think Rio needs to do a bit better closing down Andre. He's looks close enough to him and just sort of gives up.

    A good performance from him overall though and he seems to be coming on a little earlier now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I do wonder if the club has decided to make a change at the end of the season. The team and manager seem to be going through the motions even with plenty to play for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,837 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Rio still does a number of basic things wrong, dead ends, holding on when a clear and obvious pass is on, once late on he even tried to dribble out from the edge of our (crowded box).

    I think the attacking talent is there for all to see (i.e. hit the post) but the above is probably why I still back him as a sub off the bench rather than starter right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Lest not throw Rio under the bus here. He's green, he makes mistakes, but he's a kid. There is a whole queue of senior pros ahead of him that deserve critism for last night, he should be learning from them. Exposing him to the shitshow we are at present isn't doing him any good long term, let alone being called out online by fans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,837 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Ah I think it's more of a reason to protect him at this stage tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,326 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    On Slot, as someone who believes he is not the medium/long term person, I don't see what sacking him right now really achieves at this stage.

    They should have had the foresight to do it before Christmas, but I understand why it's hard to let go of a PL winning manager.

    I think the team is poorly coached. I think they don't run as much as they should. I think they have prioritised 'keeping the ball' too much, rather than being coached to be proactive. We're slow. We do the same things in our attack, and expect it to work. Pack the centre of the pitch when in possession. Give it to Salah or Gakpo out wide to try and isolate the full back. See if they beat their man or get a shot off.

    I also just think he had so little idea as to how to get an attacking tune out of us, while also protecting us at the back, that he's just gone 'full Arsenal', without having the players to really do that consistently. He's taken away our identity, such was his fear for his own job.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,211 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    We're at a stage now where I do think Slot sees out the season pretty much no matter what (maybe he gets sacked if we're mathematically eliminated from Top 5).

    The change should've been made sooner. United have gained 6 points on us since sacking their manager (with 1 fewer game played too) and they've only managed to appoint an interim!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,837 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Even if we scum CL qualification at this stage, I just can't see how I'd trust him to continue the rebuild and develop a style of play for us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,211 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Yeah I said it a few months back that there's a big difference between finishing Top 5 because we've shown great improvements….and finishing Top 5 just because other teams around us are stumbling too. Right now I can only see the latter happening.

    Nothing I've seen this season would give me any encouragement that next season will be better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JPup


    He'll be given to the end of the season realistically. The only way he goes sooner is if we crash out of the cups and are out of contention for top 5 before May, which is unlikely.

    Alonso the obvious candidate to replace him. Fantastic player, knows club well from his time here, good record as a coach, knows Wirtz and Frimpong from his time at Leverkusen.

    If we have a strong finish to the season, I'd expect the club to stick with Slot though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,025 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    I've a lot of mixed emotions about where the club is right now. We should have won that game last night. We dominated but they set their stall to defend and took the two chances they had.

    Is it Slot? Is it the players? There's individual moments like Gakpo clearing it away from Jones chest denying us the opener. There's Salah blasting the ball into row Z during an otherwise well worked corner. There's Jones braindead moment to pass back to Ali under pressure. There's Szosbo going (and staying) down, ultimately leading to their winner. So many individual moments that must leave Slot pulling his hair out (figuratively). But then, it's the pattern all season. At what point does the culmination of individual errors and bad performances point back at Slot. For instance… why is Salah taking all our corners from the right side. Not one decent corner all match from him. Why is Salah playing at all? Sure he got a goal, but it was a gift out of nothing that he should be putting away. It was also quickly followed up by that terrible attempt at a pass on the break that would likely have been a second goal for us. I'll give Slot some credit for some of the subs… Jones improved things (dispite 2 f*ck ups), Rio injected some life into our attack, Gomez for Frimpong was probably to protect him so fair enough. Not sure why Kerkez was pulled though. And taking Konate off for Chiesa was kneejerk stuff. We're frail enough at the back without reducing it to Gomez, VVD, and Robertson. I'm a bit over the love-in with Chiesa too. Not that it's entirely his fault, he's been badly managed, but he offers little in his cameos. If anything he should have been on for Salah, not Konate.

    So what is it, the players letting the manager down or the manager implementing a style of play that isn't getting the best out of the players and giving them the platform to excel. Both I think, but Slot needs to lead. He's needed to lead all season and he's just not… or at least the players aren't responding to it.

    And if Slot is the one to face the chop over this, where do we go. Alonso might be cut from a similar cloth but I think it's the mentallity in the squad and the man management that is contributing the most to this miserable season. Would Alonso be sticking with Salah out the right where he's been ineffective most the season? Would Alonso give Chiesa, Rio, Jones more chances and starts in order to strengthen our bench? Every week I fall more into the group of fans that would like to take the chance on Alonso… a club legend with title winning pedigree as a manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,369 ✭✭✭brevity


    I think if we had some decent wingers are a more defensive minded midfielder we would be in better shape.

    The changes in the summer have really made things difficult. When Slot was first appointed I remember reading that he loved wingers and would regularly change them up in a match. Now he has hardly any.

    I think if he got a trophy or some really good performances in the CL I would be interested to see what he could do next season. But I can understand people wanting a change, provided it’s a proper change and not because they don’t like Slot.

    The players need to put in a performance for the next game! Get suitable revenge and back themselves and their manager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    I think the demise of Salah is as much to do with Slot , his team set up and the obvious mood in the squad under his leadership ,as it is that he has simply aged out

    I suspect if we keep him he will return to form under a new manager

    His drop seems bigger because he was so red hot last year but we are seeing this across the squad , Gakpo is contributing nowhere near what he gave us last year

    Mcallister looks a liability ,Jones has lost all confidence , Konate and even Virgil look devoid of confidence.

    Gravenberch has returned to 2023-24 form. Kirkez and Isak were in the team of the season last year , they look like they would not get into another top half team at this point.

    Nobody in the team looks like they trust each other , nobody looks willing to take a risk or play progressive until we go behind and then its chaotic unfocused energy , not a ramping up the pace we would have seen under Klopp.

    The team looks dysfunctional ,the players look like they are not enjoying football and are playing scared , and that's all on the man at the top .

    Fix that problem and we have one of the three best teams in the league and a couple of tweaks in adding depth will have us challenging again next season. Leave it to fester another season and we could be 4-5 years away from rebuilding a team capable of challenging.

    I think we will still get CL , but the decision to stick or twist needs to be on how the team is playing and the squad are feeling rather than a position we finish out this season in or if we sneak a cup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭jem


    I haven't commented up to now. I was giving slot the benefit of last year and also allowing for the new players to bed in. However I now think it is time for him to leave the building. This isn't a knee jerk reaction to last night rather a build up of a load of games. Anyone that watched game against forrest could see the score flattered up hugely.

    There has been a few good performances and we all thought right this is the start of a run of good play and results but we seem to go backwards again.

    Play is slow and ponderous . almost no pressing having gaping holes through our middle.

    Gapko poor for most of the season is a symptom

    on top of that Mo has fallen off the cliff with pace and form.I would play him as an out an out striker at this stage drop gapko.

    I also fear who we will get next Alonso had 1 great season in Germany all came together for him. He does like to play 3 at the back which doesn't suit our squad and look at how that went at old trafford .

    I cant see it happening but I would love it if a call went into klopp and beg him to come back just until the summer and put in a new full time manager then. He just might do it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,875 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Delighted that Galatasaray fans are banned from the Anfield game



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    There have been numerous outside-the-box runs from the opposition in many games, where our players don't close them down, and the opposition end up with a "lucky goal". You can claim once or twice that this is bad luck, however when it happens more than that, it is clearly carelessness and complacency.

    I think the fact that Slot is saying it's not a chance is a symptom of this limbo we are in. For any other team, it's not really a chance, but for us it is clearly a weakness and a chance for the opposition, and he's not acknowledging this. What other weaknesses is he essentially ignoring in the players and team?

    Based on the performance last night, I also feel that it is clear that the players are not putting the shift in in these games. There was a time when people could reasonably put that solely down to the manager, but I am now of the opinion that many of these players are passengers, and don't deserve to wear the shirt imo. I'm edging towards putting as much blame on some of them as Slot for this season tbh.

    Having said that the manager is always the first casualty, but I'm of the opinion that a quick fix will not be forthcoming no matter who takes over.



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