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Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭jwm121


    Dublin Airport handles 69% of air travel on the island. Not 90%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,468 ✭✭✭markpb


    Deleted.

    Edit: I see you're including N. Ireland in those numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Which is a legit thing to do, as much of the NW and NE use LDY/BFS/BHD when appropriate, and there's constant traffic to DUB from NI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    I am trying not the believe that you are just trolling us, so I will give you a reply.

    Dublin Airport is not causing the strain on Dublin. Dublin is perfectly fine doing that itself, with or without the airport. The peak traffic flow to the airport is well before 7 am, before any major traffic builds up. Anyone who takes a flight on the first wave will sail out to the airport campus. Then have a small back log getting to the drop off zone, but nothing major.

    One point some people forget is, Ireland is an island nation. Our population is ever growing, and growing with people from all over Europe and further afield. There is no option to drive to the next country (not counting NI) without taking a slow ferry. So our airports play a vital, critical role in moving people on and off the island.

    Look at all the flights at Dublin airport and their destinations. The vast majority are people going to or from places for work and family purposes. You have leisure flights too and passengers on all flights going on holidays, but it is not the majority. Our airports are literally like a motorway in or out of our small country.

    If we want (and we certainly should aspire to it) for Ireland to be successfully economically we must allow Dublin expand as demand increases. The airlines will not operate a flight if they don't make money, so they are not willy nilly operating flights at a loss to annoy you or others. These flights operate as a necessary link for our country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Something to add aside from the FDI, and jobs, and tourism is also that 24% of the population of the country is now foreign born. And thats increasing rapidly each year.

    All of them, and any kids they have, or local partners they meet here, are going to need to fly back to their home countries pretty regularly to see their families.

    Thats a huge amount of traffic that can't, and shouldn't be curtailed. Air travel is the only way those people can see their families. And that traffic will only grow rapidly over the years to come.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    That’s exactly what that is. €50 is 2.5 times €20. Same thing for a bigger number.

    Air fares will increase to match supply and demand. If the ability to provide the supply is restricted, then the demand drives the remaining limited supply up.

    I think YOU forget Ireland is an island.

    I’m also glad that you accept Dublin Airport is not causing traffic congestion in Dublin City Centre. Or the M7 or M11 or wherever.

    You seem to have a thing for airline shareholders. Most airlines go bust, some survive and make profits. It’s certainly not an easy business to be in.

    And finally, while we have rules and regulations in place, (opening times, licences, taxation etc) but we actually as a country we do allow as the market demands. That’s called the market, and it always finds its level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It's a pretty basic thing to know, seeing as though you are pontificating on what aviation policy across the island should be

    So have you abandoned your ridiculous claim that Dublin will have twice as many aircraft movements as Heathrow currently does?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭jwm121


    Dublin Airport is doing far more good than the small amount of traffic it adds to roads. Airports add traffic to roads in every country in the world. That's not something to argue about. As Dublin grows and the country grows, the airport has to as well. And that's what's going to happen. The city is going to become a lot more congested in the next 10 years until the transport projects are finished, and that's just the way it is. And by the time the metro opens in ten years, Dublin Airport will be handling close to 50 million passengers a year.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    The industry very much will not want 5x heathrows worth of flights. Because then the revenue would be very little.
    Your statement displays an inherent lack of knowledge and at the same time an irrational hatred of Dublin Airport.

    if the airport was causing congestion then why is the M50 bumper to bumper southbound in the morning and vice versa in the evening? The airport is busiest before 12pm, thus this pattern doesnt match your claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭dublin12367


    Seems to be a theme emerging on this thread over the last year. A random or new user appears every now and then and repeatedly posts absolute nonsense for a few days. It then goes quiet for a few weeks and repeat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭davebuck


    Well if the government had started Metro North it would be in operation now with Metro West following along and to be honest the traffic into the Dublin airport campus is never that bad, The M50 traffic issue is not related to Dublin airport but bad planning and lack of investment in transport. I fly into and out of Dublin around 16 times a year and have done for quite a few years now and I find the facilities in Dublin on par and or better than a lot of large size airports including Heathrow. Certainly in the last 3 years the standards in Dublin airport have improved vastly, the Metrolink station will be a game changer as it links in with the Sligo/Maynooth line along with Tara street and the major bus routes too. Unfortunately we need to wait another 8/9 years to experience the metrolink line. There's a few issues like the North runway flight paths that need to be addressed along with the night quota as well, the current cap is a national joke and reflects the bad planning which we're too well used to in Ireland. Build a new runway and let the cap stay in place really! and allow FCC decide on such a large planning application along with other planning issues needs to be also addressed. In fairness Darragh O'Brien appears to see the issues and looks to be dealing with them but time will tell?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭john boye


    Yes the latest one only registered barely 3 weeks ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭jwm121


    If you think that a brand new airport would cost less 1.5 billion you're stupid. You've also already been told that Dublin Airport last year served 69% of the aviation market on and off the island. This 90% figure is complete bullshit. The city is not going to stop because the M50 is at congestion. No city will. They grow, and Dublin's growth is only expected to increase. The only way to deal with it is to put in the infrastructure and plan for the future. Dublin Airport's cap is going and your arguments are dumb. Every uneducated claim you're making has been made ten times over by other annoying people like you in this long thread. Go read them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Arport congestion " they literally put a signalled controlled roundabout at an airport. That will likely serve nearly 40 million this year... then heading m1 roundabout, another signal controlled roundabout... must be great for the environment and traffic flow...

    It's so unbelievably irish... when is this going to be addressed ? When the airport hits 60 million?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭john boye


    Ironically the only person I've ever really heard whinge (endlessly) about not being able to fly direct to somewhere was, well, you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Thunder87


    There was a thread created previously on one of the many, many occasions that someone decided to derail the thread into this shite. The title isn't very clear but perhaps the discussion could be moved there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    The infrastructure application includes junction improvements. So this was addressed what the airport was approaching 32m.
    They just need permission to commence work on the upgrades.

    That €1.2b number was wheeled out to justify the project over a €1.0b upgrade to the current airport. Now that's its approved, what the realistic number. Don't confusion initial estimates for actual build cost.
    The so call "cheapest" airport in he world, was a low cost terminal in Kuala Lumpur, at $1.5b 12 years ago.
    Cost is Georgia and KL are much lower than europe, obviously.

    There are two new international airports being complete this year. Vietnam, and a second airport Sydney. Multiple billions for both. Cost to build in IReland is probably some where between the two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭jwm121


    There is no hard boarder between here and Northern Ireland. Those passengers and airports account also, so it is 69%. There is still zero evidence to support your claim of 90%. This thread is about Dublin Airport's infrastructure. If you want to go ahead and make another uneducated thread about how Ireland should decline then do that. But everyone here is so sick of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    cars/automobiles are the only practical means

    Absolutely not true. Loads of options to get to/from Dublin Airport by bus or coach.

    Ridiculous nonsense and your previous post was worse

    As for not giving a crap about Dublin, I doubt you do either and just want to hamstring it so some other airport can benefit

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It's Shannon. Its always bloody Shannon people.

    Pining for the Stopover, thinking that if they can hamper Dublin somehow they'll get all its routes. Cargo cult stuff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I know but I didn't want to summon the beast by naming it 👹 😉

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭dublin12367


    just yesterday!!


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41804093.html


    “He said there are 13 flights a day departing Dublin for Amsterdam Schiphol but none from Shannon, and that the Irish Aviation Authority should have the remit to be able to recommend slots applied for to go elsewhere to support regional airports.”

    Unbelievable this TD is still coming out with nonsense like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    Huh?? Are you confusing me with someone else? Dublin pretty much flies direct to anywhere I would ever want to go so not sure how you gleaned how I "endlessly" complain that it doesnt fly to where I want to travel ! However I will say that I always welcome new direct routes as they benefit the country as a whole from an accessibility and economic perspective even if its to places I know I'll never have the desire or need to go to!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    It's Cathal Crowe, unofficial Minister for Co. Clare. Best ignored really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭john boye


    Yep I am. Apologies!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,177 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Some of these rural TDs seem to want to go back to the days of a nationalised crippled Aer Lingus and Shannon stopover.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Either through unexcusable ignorance or deliberate vindictiveness their point is always basically "but sure wouldn't it be fairer for Dublin to lose 100 routes for Shannon to gain 1 route". Because thats exactly what would happen if the government started telling airlines where to fly from, or limiting flights from Dublin.

    They're the definition of parochial politics, willing to screw over the country for any tiny local gain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 never_ends


    No. That 83% is for the republic. Not the island. You just randomly introduced NI into the stats.
    The climb to 40m+ passengers will bring that number up to ~85% by conservative estimates.
    I don't care if you're sick of it.

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    Coincidentally this came out just the other day. As you can see Dublin airport is mentioned, because its relevant. Others can see the connection even if some refuse to see.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_Jz9xzOoO4



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    You need to check those numbers. A two second google puts full cost including infrastructure close to $1b. For a relatively small terminal, built in a developing country.

    Official figures put construction at several hundred million dollars, but cumulative costs, once associated infrastructure is included, are reported to be far higher – close to a billion dollars, according to Spanish newspaper El Pais.

    The expansion work to bring to Cork 5m is estimated at €200. Crazy to suggest you’d a brand new 5m airport somewhere else for similar.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭arrianalexander


    Can I maybe suggest ignoring new accounts who are here just to stir / troll.

    And refocus the thread



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