US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

Israel supported a two state solution for decades up until 2022.

Yes, there were conditions, yes there were caveats, yes there were internal objectors, but the support was there.

In fact, if you look back over the decades of the conflict since WW2, support from Israel for a two-state solution was in place far longer than support from the Palestinians.

The Iranian regime have organised themselves a bit like the Borg- decapitating one leader doesn’t have the same impact that it might in other countries. Hard to know what “done” looks like here. How many senior leaders and potential supreme leaders are needed to be killed before the regime starts to disassemble?

Millions of Iranians have an interest in keeping a tyrannical leadership structure in place - the leader just killed-Ali Khamenei amassed a business empire worth an estimated $95billion by systematically seizing thousands of properties belonging to ordinary Iranians. 

It’s natural to assume that all the way down the leadership structures and the families associated with the ruling classes have done similar - they won’t want to lose this golden goose. The other question is, at what point will Trump say “enough is enough”? Is that when Iran concedes to whatever demands trump makes? If it means they can install their own chosen leader and keep their gravy train going, they may well agree to his demands

At least 800 civilians killed in Iran so far. Not a word of condemnation from the EU

Israeli anti-Zionist (therefore a self hating antisemitic Jew) Haim Bresheeth-Zabner believes Israel will use the Samson option when they start running out of conventional weapons.

Tucker Carlson?

Honestly, lads, anyone who takes anything he says seriously is a fool. He is a conspiracy theorist who gives platforms to holocaust deniers, Putin and Neo-Nazi's.
He is peddling the same ol stuff and people are buying because it makes them feel good.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/31/conservative-reaction-tucker-carlson-nick-fuentes-interview

Notice who refused and abstained form condemnation before

if MEPs can’t condemn deaths of 36000 and deliberately wounding and blinding and imprisonment of thousands more, what’s a few hundred in comparison

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France, a member state of the EU flying defensive sorties in the UAE to protect its bases.

If most of the liberal Western Democratic order is on one side, and you have an Islamic Fascist Right-Wing Dictatorship on the other, this is not a question of "They are all the same"

They weren't shouting about the 30,000 before this, what do you expect now? It's all empty words anyway

There's no nuances with some people, they see this as purely Good guys vs Bad guys.

Most right minded people can see that there are no good guys involved here at all.

Well said.

This conflict is not just Trump going off on a mad one or Bibi
This is a conflict sown from broader, deeper changes that started when Russia attacked Ukraine in 2014 and the West did nothing.

There is or was a perception that the West was in decline and other powers like Russia, China and Iran were ready to step into the vacuum and pursue their own aims.

The fact that we appear to have the emergence of a European Nuclear strategy that includes Poland and Germany speaks volumes about how things have changed.

We are in a new age and Ireland is still asleep at the wheel.

I am curoius on this type of thinking but would you say the same about Russia vs Ukraine?

What about Oman in this conflict, a neutral state, which was mediating the negotiations, and who have no US bases on its territory?
The British and Cyprus got attacked, what did they do?
The French got attacked, an EU member state, our closest EU geographical neighbour, what did they do to deserve it?

There are lots more examples.

This level of 'both sides' is just moral cowardice to try not to ask the harder questions, that maybe, just maybe, the world and the Middle East would be better off without the Iranian regime. But that would then mean that Trump and Bibi might be right about something, so given they are moral enemy No.1 for many, they can't have that, so one defaults back to the "Both Side-ism"

I'm not getting into a back and forth with you Marko when you refuse to engage with people in a decent manner and are just looking for wins.

That’s a very cynical and {forgive me} edgeLordy take on things

To quote a poster higher up

“There's no nuances with some people, they see this as purely Good guys vs Bad guys. 

Most right minded people can see that there are no good guys involved here at all.”

On newstalk they were just discussing the 30,000 Irish stuck in the Gulf many of whom are not able to get information about their flights or possible alternatives because various systems are down probably due to this attack on datacenter, this is another example of Iranian regime attacking civilian infrastructure, these couple of datacenters just like the hotels and apartments and civilian airports Iran has hit are hundreds of km from any military installation

he has made a good points about the attack by Iranian regime on not only its own protestors but now on neutral states coupled with deliberate targeting of civilian housing and infrastructure across a dozen countries {beside being a war crime} is unforgivable, I noticed the constant avoidance and downplaying and deflection from discussion of this critical turn in the war, which i suspect will be viewed in history as the a major strategic mistake by Iran

France is a good example, they distanced themselves, condemned both sides, tried to act as mediator, and still got attacked

Edit; typos, damn phone

That ship has sailed. Europe is not going to get stuck in the same position where its going to rely on Russian Oil or Gas. They got burnt once before.

What Europe needs is an independent energy sector, not beholden to anyone else, as much as possible.