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General Premier League Thread 2025/2026

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,989 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    the idiots should just enforce the existing rules. i'd bring in an appeals system. 1 per half, keep if successful or something like that cos var are clueless. var never steps in aside from that.

    and even before trialling that, i would separate entirely VAR from onfield ref's. see how that works.

    arsenal 1st goal should have been ruled out for gabriel blocking james, while also using him as a platform to get higher. does the same to joao pedro.

    1st chelsea goal should have been a pen to chelsea on the initial corner for a 2 offences. rice arms around and rice handball.

    joao pedro should have had a pen for being grabbed by saliba.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,875 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Glad there's games on tomorrow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    This is the solution. Teams should stop putting defenders on the attackers standing on top of the GK. Make sure the captain and GK point out to the referee before the kick is taken whats happening. 90% of the time a free kick will rightly be given for a foul on the GK



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    But just being there is not a foul and he has no obligation to get out of the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    If an attacker impedes the GK from getting to the ball it's obstruction and a free out. It's that simple. It's then up to the referees and VAR to apply the rules of the game.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,443 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    If every player within the box, other than the keeper, had to stand/hop on one leg during the initial cross from the corner, it’d put an end to the current nonsense that goes on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    The solution is that the referees need to apply the rules like they did up and until this season, for some reason they have let corner kicks in particular become free for alls, where anything goes. It's happening in every game now. How there was no penalty given in the Arsenal and Chelsea match staggers belief. At the moment it pays to foul as the fouls aren't being penalised, stop rewarding the offenders and it'll eventually go back to what we would normally have seen before this season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    If you started giving penalties, as you say, why wouldn't the attacking team just continue to pile players in to the 6 yard box? Why is the defending of these corners the thing people are trying to rule out. Why do we want to encourage this from an attacking point of view?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,790 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Why do you keep refusing to acknowledge obstruction is an offence.

    Let the attackers block the keeper. After a dozen frees out for fouling the keeper they should realise maybe they should focus on trying to win the ball rather than fouling?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Because standing still is not an offence? I dunno why you are getting all weird about it.

    A player can't just block, they can't move and hold them off. But if they just hold their position they are not obligated to just get out of the way of the opposition. Like when you see set plays where a player will run so that the guy marking him will run into a offensive player that is standing still - effectively running a screen. the offensive player isn't obligated to get out of they way.

    'why do you keep refusing to acknowledge a player is entitled to stand still'.

    The implication that any impeding of the keeper is frankly wild tbh.

    'If an attacker impedes the GK from getting to the ball it's obstruction and a free out.' (Nitro)

    So if a keeper comes out for the ball, cant get through the group of players infront of him its a free out. What are we talking about here? so a keeper just needs to run into an attacker, fall over, and its a free out. Brilliant.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,397 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    IMPEDING THE PROGRESS OF AN OPPONENT WITHOUT CONTACT

    Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction when the ball is not within playing distance of either player.

    All players have a right to their position on the field of play; being in the way of an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent.

    A player may shield the ball by taking a position between an opponent and the ball if the ball is within playing distance and the opponent is not held off with the arms or body. If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent.

    Any rational reading of the rules says that intentionally standing in front of the keeper is done to impede the keeper, it is "moving into the way of the opponent", and as such is an indirect free kick offence.

    Just being there when the ball goes your direction is not obstruction. Intentionally making your way into the box to stand in front of the keeper before a corner is obstruction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,790 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I've said its not a foul to stand still. Let the dumb **** stand still.
    But per the rules you cannot impede a goalkeeper - impeding defined as "attacker moving into the keepers path to block, slow down, or force a change of direction without attempting to play the ball"

    Standing like a statue is unlikely to lead to them attempting to play the ball so that would be a foul.

    Furthermore "any action involving holding, pushing, or using arms/body to prevent the goalkeeper from moving to catch or punch the ball is illegal"

    So standing infront of the keeper to stop him getting to the ball is a foul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I don;t think it does.

    I think moving into to path of a player is an active movement. Otherwise any defender on a set piece is commiting this offence cause they are positioning themselves to block an attackers run.

    I DO think there are examples where it should be clearly given as obstruction, or similar. We see plenty of examples of the attackers backing into the keeper as the ball comes in, when the ball is not going to that spot (so it isn't trying to position to fight for the ball'. Or they grab at the keeper. or pin the keepers arms.

    I just don't think that standing on the keeper is obstruction on its own - and standing in the line you think the ball will come thought to make things difficult for the keeper should be no different to making it difficult for a centre back to get beyond you to the ball.

    IMO if you stick 3 players around the keeper you can legit make it difficult for him to come for the ball, without it being an offence. And that is why defenders try to clear space around them. Even forcing defenders to try deal with you also makes it more difficult for the keeper (Bayindir apparently preferred the defenders to leave him room rather than crowd the attackers as well)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Standing still does not become 'moving into a players path'. You can't be moving, while standing still. so a key component of the foul doesn't exist. You've said it isn't a foul to stand still. so why then say standing still is moving and thus a foul?



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,408 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Do we need a new thread for rules discussion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭POKERKING


    The sad reality is I ref’d an un 12s match at the weekend and every corner was just a pushing match between a load of 11 year olds in the box. Its horrendous to watch and now the kids are copying it. Needs to be stamped out asap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,397 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    How can "sticking players around the keeper" not be an active movement? It is literally sending players into the path of another without the ball.

    Regardless, even if somebody could argue that standing on that exact spot is a natural position for a player to take up, it still immediately becomes obstruction the very second they make one movement in relation to the keeper.

    Back into the keeper, its now obstruction. Arms up? Thats obstruction. Step in same direction the keeper moves if he tries to go around you, thats literally obstruction.

    Stand still and only move towards the ball when it finally arrives, that isn't obstruction but we all know that the vast, vast majority of the examples we see in these games are literally obstruction. All we need is for the referees to apply the rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭jayo44


    I'd love of the attackers were just standing still 😂😂😂 if anyone watched a game they would know standing still isn't the issue. It's pushing players up on top of the keeper and backing into the keeper or in arsenal's case on Sunday they pushed the defender across goal line as the ball was also crossing the line.

    I can understand why arsenal fans would defend it i honestly do but how anyone can claim it's just standing still is a joke. It's ugly and not nice to watch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭Arghus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,875 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    This one should cover it, only 2 months since last post so it's not like it's been dead years or anything:



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,461 ✭✭✭jacool


    Considering this was in the 19th minute, and he was subbed off at 85, I'd say no.

    He also has the temerity to tell the ref its the second time he's been "kicked in the head".

    The main issue with this one is that genuine head injuries will be taken less seriously if you have this kind of f***aboutery happening, so that the refs can't tell what's genuine or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    ah fair enough. I had seen a clip from just before he went off and down the tunnel, and thought they were related. Apologies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭White lighting


    The uproar after the weekend is gas, I watch multiple games every week and see worst holding offences than Rice and Saliba but the anti Arsenal brigade is out in force because they won.

    City played Saturday and a worse handball than Rices alleged handball not a word about it. Arsenal played Liverpool earlier in the season and in the 97th minute szoboszlai nearly caught the ball not a word about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,461 ✭✭✭jacool


    The UK Independent has weighed in, with these proposals

    No hands : There is one very simple change to the laws of football that would make a world of difference: banning players from putting their hands on each other. They can no longer grab, hold or place their arm across an opponent. Inadvertent contact, when going for the ball, such as challenging for a header when needing to use an arm for leverage, would be allowed as long as it is brief and only lasts while the ball is there. Certainly not before. They would not be allowed to hold. Any prolonged contact would be an offence. Simple as that.

    Sin-bin for simulation: An eight-minute sin-bin for simulation. If there is a second offence by a team in the same game then the opponents are awarded a penalty and five instances by the same side over a season would result in a one-point deduction.

    Only one player from each team in addition to the defending goalkeeper to be permitted in the six-yard box in a effort to end these ludicrous corner scrums.

    A common-sense 10-second rule to get the ball back into play from goal-kicks, throw-ins and corners to cut out the most blatant acts of time-wasting or the opponents are awarded possession 25 yards from goal in one of two marked areas on the pitch.

    Players would also have the ability to pass to themselves at throw-ins, free-kicks and corners in an effort to produce more creative set-piece routines and limit the aerial bombardment.

    A 90-second VAR limit – if it is not “clear and obvious” in that time then it is not clear and obvious.

    Time limits on corners: There is nothing more infuriating about the modern game than the amount of time it takes for corners to be taken. Especially when the delay is because of the referee. Officials frequently prevent corners from being delivered so they can have a stern word with the players in the penalty area about holding. What is the point of this? The players are obviously going to hold each other anyway. It is the referee’s job to punish fouls at corners, not to waste time trying to convince the players not to commit them. Just get on with the game.

    Cut down substitutions: Little in modern football is ever downsized but I would advocate for a return to a maximum of three substitutions per team. The final quarter of Premier League matches is often pockmarked now by multiple stoppages to bring players on and matches lose momentum and impetus as a result.

    Clearly some aren't possible - taking a free-kick to yourself, but some of the others might get discussed. Glad someone else is going nuts at referees going in talking to players, because clearly this is not their job. Drives me mental.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭adaminho


    I already posted in the rule change thread but a 5 second rule on throws and goal kicks is being introduced for the world cup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,213 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    My understanding is that it is a 5 second countdown if the ref considers that too much time is being taken - so you can still likely spend 30/40 seconds fannying about at which stage a percentage of refs will signal the 5 seconds, but some won't. So probably not really that big a change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭doc_17


    10 seconds for a goal kick? Like, from the ball going dead? That’s too short. 20 would be fine. Most are 30 seconds anyway and when looking to kill time they are 40 and over m.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    Games on TV tonight

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    Enjoy

    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,339 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Bou - Bre Draw

    Eve - Bur Everton win

    Lee - Sun Draw

    Wol - Liv Liverpool by 3 at least.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭Infoseeker1975


    Odegaard played basketball last season in his box and nothing was given, one could give 100 examples for every incident when their club is mentioned. Perhaps the refs are human & therefore make errors. Also the refs are predominantly English & were kids at one point!!! They likely supported a team, loads of refs from Manchester who say they support a non league team, I have 4 kids and I have never heard any one of their friends say they support a non league team:) Therefore these refs were fans of a premier league club & even if not deliberately it is impossible for them not to favour teams, I have no issue with that as it is would be weird not to.



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