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Would you visit USA in the current climate?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    I don't think it's remotely comparable. We've a outward looking world view, whereas in the US they think they are the world.

    Some people here do also think that the world revolves around the USA, and get very defensive about any criticism of it. Perhaps it's as like your cartoon their minds are colonised by lifetime of consuming US TV exports.

    Aside from the longhaul there's simply less to worry about on choosing traveling around Europe instead of the USA. I did enjoy the scenery of our driving holidays in the US, but there's plenty of variety of scenery to enjoy in Europe, along with good food quality and a simple perfunctory level of customer service that doesn't wear anyone down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭Acosta




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,389 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    We've a outward looking world view, whereas in the US they think they are the world.

    Thats overly simplistic. I know loads of Amerians with outward looking world views. Well traveled. Normal. Loads that dont of course. Have met some great people and some absolute morons.

    I know loads of Irish people who dont see the world past a few pints in the local, maybe a trip to Manchester for a footie match or a holiday or two in Fuengirola in their lifetime.

    Seems a lot of posters think you'll be shot by ICE on every street corner when the reality is the country is basically the same as its always been. Most people couldn't care less about politics. 90 million people didnt vote remember.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I have visited the U.S. a number of times in the past, most notably in the 1970s where I started in San Francisco and travelled by bus, air and train to LA, Vegas, New Orleans, Atlanta and flew home from NY.

    Haven't been back since the 70s out of choice.

    Would I be more inclined to go now, definitely not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,389 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    But you were fine going at a time when they were just finishing up a pointless war that killed over a million people?

    Right.

    See also America from 2003-2011.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    I don't disagree in the slightest that there are outward looking US citizens, but they are not the norm.

    The few Irish that flock to the same Spanish sun resort every year are not our norm either.

    But even those relatives I know with US passports can be very narrow minded and be nostalgic for the Ireland that no one here misses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The differences are there just more subtle. You go east coast to west there's a lot of cultural differences under the hood.

    The smarter people in the US aren't working in the usual tourist hangouts or summer jobs. So that's why you don't meet them unless you're in a higher (than tourist) social group.

    Also a high % of Americans have no interest in international affairs. They don't travel much even within the States. 50% don't have a passport. Everything they need is within the States.

    When I was there a common question was why did we want to travel around the States or coast to coast . They didn't see the point of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Wrong, firstly most of my visits were as a merchant seaman and the one time I was there as tourist (described in my previous post} the Vietnam war was over.

    In fact as a merchant seaman I was on a ship that aided 'boat people' (refugees from the Communist government who took over) off the Vietnam coast when every other merchant vessel was telling us not to. The credit for that lies with our captain who ignored what he was hearing on VHF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,266 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Great quote I recall from jesus and mary chain biography "the America we love is only in our mind"

    I think the America i love is moving away from me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    @Flinty997

    Yip, encountered the same type of indifference when I lived there. I knew some people in NY who'd never traveled beyond Atlantic City!

    But I did find that overly friendly insincere "customer service" pretty much the same throughout the entire country, and it does get grating. I hate when I hear aspects of it creep in in Ireland.

    @Ash.J.Williams

    I'd be guilty of that, but once you've spent time there such notions evaporate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I actually noticed on the radio the music was very different east to west coast.

    Bit of a Le Royale to it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    I don't mind what people here describe as the "insincere customer service".

    When I returned to Ireland after living in the US for a number of years I realized just how good the service was compared to here in Ireland.

    Give me the insincerity every day of the week as long as the service is good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    The problem I had with it is generally it's entirely unnecessary.

    Do you really need the fake insincerity of "hows your day" etc.. when buying anything?

    What gaps does US style customer service actually bridge other than a customers need to feel sucked up to?

    It's one of the reasons wallmart failed in Europe.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,189 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    A realist would understand that stats count for nothing when it actually impacting you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,212 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Right yeah, whatever that means. You didn't answer the question.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭geographica


    Is that 5 years social meejah whilst applying for an ESTA mullarky in place yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,389 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    You can really spot American reviews from European restaurants. Always "our server Pablo was so nice, he has a dog the same age as our dog" craic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    And they have to suck up because minimum wage for service industries is so low. The federal minimum wage for jobs with tips is just over 2 dollars.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage

    If US service means paying a pittance than I'll take our service anyday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Your 40k is out of population of 340m

    Theres only about 100k Irish visitors to the US annually. That's much smaller pool to target. Especially when Irish people are known to stay illegally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    -Howdy! How Y’all doin’ today? What can I do you fer?


    -Shoot me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    I wouldn't actually say "shoot me" in the US, they might actually oblige.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Economics101


    So many of the comments here are about things like how ordinary americans vote, what their opinions are, how many have passports, etc. Much of this misses the main point of this thread: the threat from US Government entities, especially ICE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    What's more interesting is that the deportation rate was actually higher under Biden and Obama, but the current detention model is run by private business. False detentions actually are more profitable when legitimate residents remain locked up while challenging their arrest.

    I won't be surprised if the owners of the detentions centres give kickbacks to ICE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,323 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Once you scratch the surface of these ICE sob stories they tend not sob stories after all.

    I personally know someone who was detained by ICE and kept in a detention centre for 5 weeks.

    He's a Russian national with a pending asylum case in the US. He has a social security number, the right to work and is fully "in the system".

    He was picked up while going to a Home Depot and was on a plane 5 hours later to a different part of the country. He had a lawyer contact ICE on his behalf with his paperwork within 5 days and it still took several weeks more before he was released.

    You sound like Karoline Leavitt saying ICE sob stories are not sob stories at all and everyone they target are the worst of the worst rapists and murderers sent by Mexico and Venezuela to destroy the US. The vast majority of people are the very same as your average group of Americans with respect to having some sort of criminal record, except they also have worked tremendously hard to make a life for themselves and their families.

    By all means have immigration enforcement, but they could do it without the style of enforcement they have adopted and without making the general population feel more and more unsafe in the process while a handful of bootlickers cheer them on for the force they use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,389 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Is this some sort of old tacky Western movie you're in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I know a family who went after Xmas for a weeks holidays, had a great time. So yes, I'd go no bother, you just pay for it. Some of the best holidays of my life have been in different parts of the States, great memories.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭thenuisance


    I've worked for US companies, a lot of the music I listen to is American , as are the movies I watch and the books I read. I have relatives and friends in the US, I have travelled extensively there - both the coasts and the fly-over states and I've done so since the 1980s. I've visited for work and holidays. My negative impression of the US is of it's government (and that's pretty much all of the governments since the 1980s) and it's corrupt system of government. I've found a strong core of decency in almost all of the American people I've met - people from all walks of life , of all races and of all political viewpoints. I've experienced acts of genuine kindness that are far deeper than the 'have a nice day' stuff and even those platitudes can often be sincerely meant. I wanted to explore the bits of the US that I haven't seen after I retire - I don't see that happening now.

    There is one reason why I wouldn't travel at the moment - and that is the attitude of immigration. I was stopped at immigration in Shannon in the 2000s and was told that I was on record as having overstayed a business visa. I knew I hadn't - all my business trips had gone to plan and I didn't remember even having a business visa - I presume my employers organised these for me when they were required. The situation was resolved in minutes - a white guy working for a US multinational wasn't going to get delayed by them. They didn't apologise but they were friendly and waved me through. In the current climate I can imagine that brief (and presumably recorded as resolved) incident showing up on my record when it get's pulled up by some twitchy immigration official anxious to meet their detention quota. When I read some of the horror stories that are out there I realise that something that I haven't even thought about for 20 years could rapidly turn nasty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    I’m not in it, Denial.

    It’s a remake of a circa 1970 "road drama" starring Jack Nicholson and Karen Black. I'll let you seek out the exact title.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,189 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    I did, you just did not understand the answer! Given the cases we have heard reported, there is a 50/50 chance you could be detained at immigration in the US, if you are there is a 100% chance you'll be detained for at least 6 weeks. If you do manage get a lawyer and get before a judge then there is probably 80% chance the DJ won't even turn up to defend the case, you be ordered released and ICE will dump you somewhere and most likely somewhere inconvienent to you.

    Now you may fancy your chances, but as we can see from the dropping figures, most won't accept the odds for just a holiday.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,212 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    No your point made no sense. Why don't you back up these stats with a link? Especially the 50% one.

    I don't know why you want me to be fearful of going to the USA. I'll let you know how I get on. And it's a work trip, not a holiday. As per every other work trip, I will have a hotel booked for the week and a return flight on Saturday.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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