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President Connolly

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And of course you forget how they were abandoned by the new state and that state sided with its own one time enemy to quell their ‘rising’. Far more complicated relationships than the ‘oh they are a different people guff. Self deprecation and wilful blindness added.
    Doesn’t excuse you looking to place the blame and need to change on the President of your country.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Mod: stay on topic folks - a number of posts deleted

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Ah, I see the myth of the Gentle Black&Tan is back. Newly updated & transformed into the Sweet RUC and the Kind UDR, along with the Loving H Block screw.

    Shure did'nt we see her meeting 50 families who were victims of violence, all cherry picked by S,F., all from the nationalist/republican community. None from the protestant/unionist/loyalist community.

    Where's me fiddle, I mean my violin, I know a tune that goes with that.

    Actually in my area, there was a huge campaign for Catherine Connolly before SF got involved. What SF did was to provide organisation and experience and they also added extra energy to what was already a lively campaign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    What sort of historical nonsense are you talking about?

    A poster is talking about "belligerent" unionists in a present-day context, and you reference the Black and Tans?

    Belligerence is paying tribute to a man who killed innocent women and children, a provocative and unnecessary act by MLMD this weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    A week after same MLMD s party MEPs voted in support of Russian war that continues to kill innocent men, women and children as the Russians continue their war of imperial conquest, colonialism and occupation into the 5th year 12th year

    https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/184426

    Taking same hypocritical stance as our newest dear leader



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The attempt to suggest the President is in the control of one political party has been ongoing since Catherine Connolly announced she would run.

    There is zero evidence this is the case and absolutely none at all to suggest that people she met were 'handpicked'. It's just scurrilous mischief making and bitter noise created by people with zero respect for the office and the job the President has to do never mind the person.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    That suggestion hasn't been made on here, so where are you getting it from?

    The evidence suggests that she is unlike Presidents of the past, and isn't in a position to reach out across the divide of Northern Ireland. Her partisan approach wins no friends, but those in thrall to her bind even tighter. Politicians like her, of the far left, do not understand that is why they have never been in power here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    And yet, politicians "like her" have walked home to the last 3 Presidential elections.

    What does that tell you? Even before that, a lot of the ideals of McAleese and Robinson were also of the Left in ideology.

    Ireland in my youth (80's/90's was pretty conservative from a government perspective) since then as the country prospered we have been lucky to have been mostly represented by what objectively are pretty centrist governments and I'm fine with that. For the most part. But going by the Presidents we have elected, Ireland in general is full of people who are compassionate, empathetic and understanding and more representative of the culture that right wingers always claim to want to protect yet have never come anywhere close to being able to offer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    She is 'like' several previous Presidents who have fallen foul of belligerent Unionist politicians.

    Nothing new under the sun there.

    *The suggestion that she is a SF president and is being controlled by them has been implied. The idea SF 'handpicked' people for her to meet in Derry has been allowed to stand here without the slightest back up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I hear the sound of moving goalposts.

    An ongoing suggestion which "has been ongoing since Catherine Connolly announced she would run" later becomes "the suggestion ……….. has been implied".

    I haven't been around long enough to see all of the alleged suggestions, but I haven't seen anyone actually suggest she is controlled by SF. You are tilting at windmills.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Your vendetta is becoming quite pathetic. Have you some proof that an ex Labour and subsequently Independent politician is controlled by SF? What did they make President Connolly do?

    Her NI visit went down very very well by the way. But you and Campbell know that eh.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    This is quite a bizarre post. I am assuming that you have mistaken me for another poster, rather than just standard baiting and trolling.

    I have never accused Connolly of being controlled by Sinn Fein. In fact, in this thread I have apologised and admitted being wrong for criticising SF for being silent on this year's atrocities in Iran.

    What I have accused Connolly of is

    (1) Rabid anti-Americanism

    (2) Being soft on Iran like Wallace and Daly

    (3) Partisan language and approach while visiting Doire/Londonderry

    (4) Being soft on dictators like Maduro

    You might retract your specific allegation please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A 'suggestion' is to imply something.

    If you claim that a political party are handpicking people for you to meet (as a poster has done) you are implying that that political party are controlling you. Deal with it. For someone so fastidious about perfectly normal descriptive words used here you seem very blasé about claims made with zero backup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I do confuse you guys to be fair. Fair enough, you don't think she is controlled by SF. The rest of your post re Connolly is bitter nonsense.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,742 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    100 days up -to me Connolly has been solid. Unremarkable. Which is the way an Irish presidency should be. No wild rants like her predecessor. Pleasantly surprised as a HH voter. All I can say is overall well played. The good referees are barely noticed. Pleased to proven wrong.

    And this thread is symptomatic of how solidly Connolly has performed that posters are scrambling for things to attack her on. When In reality she has left them little to go on. Almost inventing faults. Which I find amusing.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I suggested you were moving goalposts, there was nothing implied about that suggestion. A suggestion is explicit, an implication is not.

    I have been directly accused of suggesting that Catherine Connolly is controlled by Sinn Fein. I have gone back through my posts on this thread, and cannot find anywhere that I suggested it, or even implied it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    impli.JPG

    I have been here before with posters who have a weird obbession with perfectly acceptable words.

    P,S. I didn't accuse you of anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Yes, exactly, an implication is where you seem to suggest something without saying it directly.

    A suggestion is where you say it directly.

    Your own link has proven my point. Nobody has suggested that Connolly is controlled by Sinn Fein and it would be gaslighting to continue to state that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Post #691 They funded her election campaign in more ways than one. He who plays the piper plays the tune. Shure did'nt we see her meeting 50 families who were victims of violence, all cherry picked by S,F., all from the nationalist/republican community. None from the protestant/unionist/loyalist community. Ain't no such thing as a free dinner.

    That was in response to post #661 Everytime I see Connolly up and down the country in news clips/photos, she seems to have a Sinn Fein head standing behind her. Is she their prop president ?

    Want to retract your "Nobody has suggested that Connolly is controlled by Sinn Fein" statement?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    One post was asking a question, so that can be discarded. As for the other, I took it that they were talking about SF being one of the funders, and getting their fair share of payback for that. I can see now how you can interpret it your way.

    That is still a long, long way from the original statement that

    "The attempt to suggest the President is in the control of one political party has been ongoing since Catherine Connolly announced she would run."

    One post open to different interpretations does not meet the context of ongoing.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Mod: Back on topic - quit the bickering and English language lesson

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    It was an extremely loaded question, it may as well have been a statement. Pretty disingenuous to just ignore that.

    The "only asking a question" trope is overused. The response to it, you can try to interpret it whatever way you want it's plain to see what the poster was stating.

    I was not responding to that original statement, I was responding to your statement that "Nobody has suggested that Connolly is controlled by Sinn Fein". 2 posters clearly have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The suggestion/implication is as clear as day in that post alone.

    @JohnDoe2025 I'm not going around in circles on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Now would be a good time for you to remind yourself about the ceremonial duty of the role Catherine Connolly holds.

    How exactly do you expect her to be hard (opposite of soft) on Iran and Maduro? And how has she displayed her supposed anti-americanism?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    One single post, for something that "has been ongoing" since her election. I will spare your further blushes by leaving it at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Anti incidents of American imperialism and bullying equates to anti Americanism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    What has Connolly been doing since she took office, apart from costing the government a lot of money? Meanwhile, elsewhere in the world,

    Maybe she was on a holiday, and not allowed comment on anything for a number of weeks, a bit like yourself?

    Mod: warned for trolling

    Post edited by Seth Brundle on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Have you any back up for your claim below that SF cherrypicked the people the President met on an official state visit?

    Shure did'nt we see her meeting 50 families who were victims of violence, all cherry picked by S,F.,

    This is the 'Politics' forum, a place of supposedly higher standards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    The easiest way to refute his claim is to demonstrate it is untrue with counter-argument.

    Looking at it from the outside, and at the victim profile, the claim is credible, though not proven. Sort of like a prima facie case, circumstantial evidence or a missing alibi. In those cases, an explanation that refutes the evidence is needed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    That's not how it works. Poster makes a claim as if it's a fact, it's up to them to provide evidence for this claim.

    If they cannot then their claim is baseless and should be rightly questioned or accepted as untrue.

    Didn't you yourself say that you ignore posts without verifiable links as the source material is questionable?



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