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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Meanwhile Belgium is being accused of anti semitism by the US administration for arresting 3 Jewish Mohels, at the request of a Jewish rabbi, because they were performing Brit Milah, the ritual circumcision without a medical licence.
    A similar case was taken in Ireland but following intense political pressure, was dropped because the judge ruled circumcision is not a medical procedure.

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    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    "Most moral army in the world"

    Nope - thieves and looters.

    The issue of Israeli soldiers looting and destroying property during the Gaza war was of concern to senior officers since the early days after October 7, 2023. Yet despite multiple such cases, only one resulted in a criminal indictment and was resolved on Monday in a plea deal. Due to what was described as evidentiary difficulties and investigative failures, the charge against the soldier was amended to theft, and he was sentenced to 60 days in prison and 30 days of military community service.

    According to the indictment, the reservist took banknotes out of a bag he noticed while searching for weapons in a house in southern Gaza. The reservist's attorney told the court that the money he took came from the home of a militant, and that her client had been financially supporting his family, who had been evacuated from their home near the Gaza border. Most of the bills the reservist took, the investigation found, were counterfeit.

    A military source told Haaretz that there's a "code of silence" within IDF combat units regarding looting that prevents them from reporting such incidents to the Military Advocate General's Office or the Military Police. Moreover, Gazans' inability to file complaints about such incidents further hampers efforts to uncover the truth. In light of footage on social media of soldiers vandalizing and looting in Gaza, the IDF believes that the few cases that were proven represent only the tip of the iceberg.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Execution of Likud's "From the River to the Sea" goal continues unabated. Hints at a final solution too.

    Hopefully, the odious Smotrich and his equally odious party will be gone before the end of the year.

    Haaretz:On Tuesday, far-right Finance Minister Smotrich's Religious Zionism party, which many polls predict will fail to clear the electoral threshold in the election set to take place later this year, held a conference titled "Settlement Plan for 2030."

    The invitation to the conference described it as "an event marking the settlement revolution" and "strengthening the Jewish hold in Judea and Samaria," and included a declaration from the minister that he would seek to annul the Oslo Accords.

    During his address, Smotrich also said that Israel's next government should "encourage the migration" of Palestinians from the West Bank and impose Israeli sovereignty there, arguing that "in the long term, there is no other solution.

    We must complete the revolution and eliminate the idea of the Arab terrorist state."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    In other news - not only are some of the IDF looters and thieves, so are the Settlers.

    The apparent lawlessness is quite staggering. I don't believe there is anything like it in any other "Western Democracy" that Israel purports to emulate.

    Many Israelis are mortified. But they get a vote later this year - I hope they make it count.


    On Wednesday, an official from Israel's National Missions and Settlements Ministry, which is also under the purview of Religious Zionism, told a Knesset panel that he is "not familiar with the term 'illegal outposts.'"

    Not long after, the Palestinian Red Crescent reported that three Palestinians in the village of Mukhmas – a Bedouin community beleaguered by settler violence for months – were wounded, one severely, after they were shot by settlers.

    According to Palestinian sources, a fourth resident was beaten by Israeli soldiers, and settlers also looted sheep from the village. The IDF has yet to respond to Haaretz's request for a comment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,708 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    And to think that these boyos claim to be religious.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Palestinians will persevere to defeat the western-supported ethnic cleansing and genocide.

    The first movement is human, not political: people walking home.

    Field reporting from Gaza describes families crossing back through Rafah even though many neighborhoods no longer exist.

    One woman who returned after months in Egypt found her apartment in Khan Yunis reduced to debris and now lives in a tent without water or furniture — yet described a sense of calm simply from being back, Al-Jazeera Arabic reported.

    Another family left stable housing abroad only to settle again beside ruins, explaining that belonging outweighed safety.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Last year Drogheda United was taken over by a US investor.

    A SF TD who is a chairperson of the club has been told her position is untenable after calling for Ireland to boycott the international with Israel.

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,708 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    She called on the International side and the FAI not to play the Internationals against Israel. She'd have a lot of backing around Drogheda for her stance and the Drogheda United fans would back her. She was a long time volunteer at the club even before she got into politics. It will be interesting to see what happens as she seems determined not to leave the Board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Her statement (as a TD) was not about the club it was about the international match with Israel. The zionist owners did not like that

    Deputy Byrne said last week: "In November, the FAI voted to submit a motion to UEFA to ban Israel from its European club and international competitions. That was the correct moral and principled position to take.

    "Therefore, I am extremely angry and dismayed that the FAI have confirmed they will play against Israel.

    "It appears that their morals, and principled position, was only on paper – not in actions where it counts.

    "Israel should not be in this competition."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Looks to me that her stance has nothing directly to do with the local club. Is it just knee-jerk retribution?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,613 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    That's if the owners are Zionists at all or if they are coming under pressure from 'the lobby' - everyone seems terrified of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    you really would wonder.

    I'm not particularly religious myself but the general aspects I was taught when I was a child was "love thy neighbour" etc.

    I don't recall any religious teachings that stated that violent attacks against the police was ok. Unless it was in one of the more obscure books of the Old Testament?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Whether it's right or wrong, the expectation in corporate governance is that directors (and particularly chairpersons) are 24/7 representatives for the board/company, even when doing other roles. There'd normally be internal board rules about making statements that could reflect on the company/impact it's interests.

    Disregarding the issue at hand, it does feel like a bit of an unusual situation to have a sitting TD as chairperson here, when it would be expected that they'd take strong public positions on issues as part of their job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    His Holiness Pope Leo XIV has announced that the Vatican won’t be joining Trump’s Board of Peace.

    Critics say the Board of Peace is an attempt to usurp authority from the United Nations and other major international organisations. And may allow Trump to remain its Chair even after his presidency ends. Yeah, like Trump, the ultimate decision-maker in reality TV show The Celebrity Apprentice, judging who to eliminate in his boardroom - ‘You’re fired’.

    The Vatican’s top diplomat Cardinal Pietro Parolin said:

    “One concern,” said Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Vatican’s top diplomat, “is that at the international level it should above all be the [United Nations] that manages these crisis situations. This is one of the points on which we have insisted.”

    Source: The Guardian
    ‘Major European allies decline to join first meeting of Trump’s Board of Peace’
    Andrew Roth in Washington and Julian Borger in Jerusalem
    , Thu 19 Feb 2026
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/18/trump-board-of-peace-first-meeting

    Starry: Trump thinks he’s on another reality TV show. Who is going to pander to Trump’s delusion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Is he living in the dark ages?

    US conservative commentator Tucker Carlson said Israeli security officials detained him and members of his team shortly after he interviewed Washington’s ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee.

    Carlson, an ally of President Donald Trump with whom he often has disagreements on foreign policy, travelled to Israel on Wednesday for a sit-down with Huckabee.

    Huckabee has stated that Jews have a “divine right” to colonise Palestinian land and denies Palestinian national identity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    So called is right, these are now part of Greater Israel according to zionist colonials. Israel will take more of Jordan soon.

    The Israeli military will not withdraw from the so-called “buffer zones” in Lebanon and Syria, amid a shift in "Israel’s" security doctrine, which stipulates the expansion of these "buffer" areas, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced on Thursday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    Huckabee is either intellectually challenged or watching his bank account swelling with shekels. What boggles my mind is Alan Shatter. One pre requisite for being a minister for Justice surely is to know the difference between right and wrong between what's legal and illegal. Yet every day on X he beats the pro Israeli drum with gusto denouncing any criticism as antisemitism.

    Has he too swapped intelligence for shekels?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    He is saying that Israel should not pay a penny in reparations to Gaza for the apartheid states crimes against humanity but instead they should receive reparations instead.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    You can level a lot at Alan, but one thing he is not is stupid

    I wonder what was his stance on Mossad using Irish passports for one of their operations. Was the criticism of that anti- semitic too, according to Alan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/20/status-quo-collapsed-prayer-jerusalem-al-aqsa-mosque-ramadan

    I suppose to the Israeli apologists criticism of this move is just more anti-semitism .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,613 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Shatter is a strange kettle of fish. Grew up in a country where human rights and respect for life are seen as paramount and yet willingly embraces the far right, racist and genocidal rhetoric of a rogue state when discussing Palestinian people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Lawyers can often park their morals, assuming they actually have any. Remember, these are people that will defend some of the worst criminals you can imagine and try to get them a reduced sentence in a court of law even when they know they're as guilty as sin.

    Shatter defending a rapacious, murderous, genocidal, state shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    He loses all reason when it comes to Israel and always has. Sad, in a way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Extract from US ambassador's interview with Tucker Carlson. Jordan is next.

    Carlson told Huckabee that the biblical verse had promised the land to the descendants of Abraham, including the area between the Euphrates River in Iraq and the Nile River in Egypt.

    Such a swath would encompass modern-day Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and parts of Saudi Arabia.

    It would be fine if they took it all,” said Huckabee, who was appointed by President Donald Trump last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,335 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    That interview by Tucker Carlson with Mike Huckabee is telling for a number of reasons.

    (Watch in Youtube to go to specific key parts of the conversation by clicking on chapters in timeline)

    Obviously, as a lot of people have seen in various snippets that have made it to social media, there are several instances where Carlson doesn't hold back in leaving no ambiguity about the point he is making and the evidence he has to support that versus the evidence to denounce it. The Israeli claim to the land in the middle east for example, or the Israeli influence in the US going to war in Iraq is another.

    It is also telling in just how performative Carlson was when working for Fox. He knows the facts or at least the relevant questions on a lot of topics but him interviewing as he does here or with some other interviews since he left the network shows just how much he was playing a part in empowering the conservative (Trump) movement while working for Fox.

    You look at Mehdi Hassan's work for Zeteo and it is not markedly different from when he was on MSNBC but Tucker is like a completely different person. I don't think this will surprise people, but it's a sign as how how manipulated the media landscape can be and why it has covered Israel/Palestine, The Epstein Files and various other stories.

    The second thing that is interesting about the above video is why didn't someone from Huckabee's team call a halt to it. They were clearly displeased with it given how Carlson's producer was interviewed after it so why did he sit there for over 2 hours and give Carlson so many opportunities to pick holes in his positions. I don't think there was an ulterior motive from Huckabee, I just find it weird the plug wasn't pulled much sooner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Not a fan of Carlson’s politics, and I think he very much an opportunist without real principles. He’s given very soft interviews to a range of character from Putin to that racist Fuentes (?).
    But in recent months I think he has done more than anyone to expose to the average American, the darker side of Israeli policy, and the outsized influence they have on American politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,335 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The machine has clicked in to gear. Huckabee's response to the interview.

    When I sat down with Tucker Carlson on Wednesday, I was expecting a thoughtful conversation and that he would ask questions and give me the opportunity to actually respond--just like he did with the little Nazi sympathizer Nick Fuentes or the guy who thought Hitler was the good guy and Churchill the bad guy. What I wasn't anticipating was a lengthy series of questions where he seemed to be insinuating that the Jews of today aren't really same people as the Jews of the Bible.

    I'll first just say something I didn't think to say to Tucker, which is that Ashkenazi Jews, meaning those who families had spent centuries in Europe, are a minority of Israel's Jewish population, only maybe 35-40%. There are far more Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews inside Israel.

    But there's a good reason, as it turns out, that I had never encountered this theory that Tucker kept pushing on. That’s because it comes from some of the darkest realms of the Internet and social media.

    I think it's important to take a moment now and educate Tucker and anyone else who might get sucked in by this dangerous conspiracy theory, just as I have been educated this week.

    I'm sharing this information because it has been weaponized by very bad people to delegitimize Jews and strip them of their history.

    It's an idea that gained traction in the 80's and 90's with David Duke and other Klansmen and neo-Nazis. It has really caught fire in recent years on the Internet and social media, mostly from some of the most overt anti-Semites and Jew haters you can find.

    I don’t know why Tucker was so fixated on this, and I'm certainly not saying he knew the origins of this conspiracy theory. I don't know what's in his heart or what he was thinking.

    But I do know that the discredited idea that most Ashkenazi or European Jews descended from the ancient Turkic kingdom of Khazaria is bunk. It's also been weaponized by people trying to deligitimize Jews, to strip them of their history, and to call them "imposters" or "fake Jews."

    This odious conspiracy theory is peddled by the likes of Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes and by people who love David Duke, as well as Islamist accounts that make up false smears about Israel non-stop and are run out of countries like Pakistan and Turkey.

    But we know from genetics and rich volumes of written literature that the Jews of today can trace their lineage back thousands of years to the Israel and the Jewish people of the Bible.

    They are as connected together as genetics tell us that the ancient Khazar kingdom is to people living today in Turkey.

    And if Tucker wants to tour more than Ben-Gurion Airport on his next trip to Israel, I'm happy to show him places where Jews have lived going back to the time of Jesus Christ and even earlier.

    I sincerely hope Tucker will let me know when he actually wants to learn facts about the land and people. Asking me about conspiracy theories should remain on the fringes and not be the heart of the conversation.

    Tucker Carlson should fly to Israel on Monday and take him on again. Im willing to bet there'd be at least a few people in the room to guide or rescue Huckabee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,335 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This is what happens when a light is shone on the fallacy of American support for Israel for a short time.

    Screenshot_20260221_192319_TikTok.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,613 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    That religious and Zionist zealot is in trouble - has been strong condemned by several Arab nations for his remarks, including by the Saudis.

    Fair play to Tucker anyway…..it only took a bit of probing to expose this raving nutcase.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,335 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    There were some people mentioning over the last few months that Tucker could potentially become a candidate for the Republican nomination for the US Presidential race in 2028 as some sort of "We're distancing ourselves from Trump strategy".

    I think it's fair to say by the way he did this interest that he had no interest that. If he did he can say goodbye to any hope of that idea. I doubt he was, he's smart enough to not have shot himself in the foot by doing an interview like this if that was the case.



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