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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,613 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    What a title - they don't even hide the fact that their allegiance is to a foreign state. Can you imagine the furore if there was a 'UK Lawyers for Russia' group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Edit I made a mistake saying one of the leaders of UKLFI is daughter of Lord Pannick. However, Lord Pannick is a patron of UKLFI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    The latest attempts to rewrite history. Maybe like Palestinians themselves, we say they didn't exist, they didn't actually exist...

    Post edited by Spudmonkey on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    In the UK, Starmer is pandering as usual to the billionaire donors that support Israel. The same happens in the US. The judges sometimes stand up to the lobby though, like a few days ago when they ruled the designation of Palestine Action as a terrorist organisation was illegal. However they left the enforcement of the existing law in place pending an appeal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    They have far, far, too much influence in UK and US politics. Needs to be cut back severely.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,875 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    "They" Israelis, or "they" British and American Jews shilling for Israel?

    Its interesting that the state of Israel has managed to have declared as taboo and antisemitic, the conflation by outsiders of the conduct of Israel and Jews in other places who shill for them.

    That conflation is, of course, completely allowable by Israelis and Jews onto themselves, and Jews are given a completely free pass to have an allegiance to Israel every bit as strong or indeed stronger than the nation of their birth, life and residency.

    I wouldn't care about Jews having political influence in Britain or America, if that influence wasn't, in the main, to benefit a foreign actor with a proto-fascist government who gets away with genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The erasure of Palestinian identity and culture continues while the British Museum hosts secret events for the Israeli embassy.

    The gala on 13 May was held to mark Israel’s Independence Day, a holiday celebrating the establishment of the State of Israel on 14 May 1948.

    In an open letter sent last week, more than 200 culture workers, including prominent figures such as historian William Dalrymple, curator Dan Hicks and actor Juliet Stevenson, called on the institution to formally apologise for hosting the event.

    The letter said the event had taken place two days before Nakba Day, the day that commemorates the “ethnic cleansing and expulsion of over 750,000 Palestinians from their homes in 1948”.

    It alleged that the British Museum had “concealed” the event from staff and the public, and that “information about the event was only revealed when it was leaked accidentally”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    IDF - hypocrisy 101


    Haaretz
    Days ahead of the first meeting of U.S. President Trump's Board of Peace, Palestinian officials in Gaza reported that Israeli strikes overnight into Sunday killed at least 11 people, which the IDF said were a response to a "blatant violation" of the cease-fire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Hmmm - totally believable from the IDF.

    An animal pen belonging to a Palestinian man in the village of Ein al-Maita in the West Bank was set on fire on Thursday, about an hour after settlers assaulted the man, a human rights activist who was present at the scene told Haaretz.

    Footage taken about an hour before the arson showed several settlers walking nearby, and according to the activist, a security camera was vandalized and the cable of the wireless router which provides cellular reception to the community was cut.

    While the IDF said that Israeli forces arrived "following a report of Israeli citizens setting fire to a Palestinian residential structure" and extinguished the fire, a volunteer from an activist group told Haaretz that the fire had burned out on its own by the time firefighters arrived.

    The IDF statement added that the arsonists were not found and no arrests were made.

    A resident said that settlers returned to the village on Friday morning and threatened the community "that it would be better for us to pack up before they attack us."In January, data from Israel's defense establishment showed that incidents of settler violence against Palestinians had risen by 25 percent compared to the previous year, and have been escalating sharply in frequency since October 7, 2023.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,875 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    I find it interesting that this comment in Haaretz got 6 upvotes

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-security/2026-02-14/ty-article/.premium/palestinian-owned-property-set-fire-in-west-bank-after-settlers-spotted-nearby/0000019c-5c1c-dfd2-a7bc-7f7cbe7b0000

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    I wonder if Haaretz is regarded as "fake news" like Al Jazeera by the right-wingers in Israel



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israeli Govt has tried to hobble Haaretz for a long time. Without success, so far, thank god.

    Of course, Israel has killed nearly 300 journalists in Gaza in just over two years.

    Clearly, the suppression of any news that paints them in a negative light is a high priority. But the whole world sees what's going on thanks to the likes of Haaretz and others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Life under the Israeli occupation.

    The smell hits you before you even see the tents. In the al-Taawun camp, wedged between Yarmouk Stadium and al-Sahaba Street in central Gaza City, the line between human habitation and human waste has been erased.

    Forced to flee their homes by Israel’s genocidal war in Gaza, 765 families have set up makeshift shelters directly on top of and adjacent to an enormous solid waste dump. Here, amid mountains of rotting garbage, they are fighting a losing battle against disease, pests and the psychological horror of living in filth.

    Fayez al-Jadi, a father who has been displaced 12 times since the war began, said the conditions are stripping them of their humanity.

    “The rats eat the tents from underneath,” al-Jadi told Al Jazeera. “They walk on our faces while we sleep. My daughter is 18 months old. A rat ran right over her face. Every day, she has gastroenteritis, vomiting, diarrhoea or malnutrition.”

    Al-Jadi’s plea is not for a luxury accommodation, just a mere 40 to 50 metres (130ft to 164ft) of clean space to live in, he said. “We want to live like human beings.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Also Barak Ravid of the Yedioth Ahranoth newspaper, which has far more circulation these days than Haaretz, appears to have criticised the occupation and acknowledged "deliberate" Israeli "mistakes" in the war in an online exchange on X with Nadav Eyal. He was responding to a blog post by Eyal which said that the anti Israel movement is "grassroots"but also criticised "mistakes" by Israel. Ravid asked him why he didn't mention that one of the mistakes was 59 years of Israeli occupation.

    Will be interesting to see if Ravid keeps his job given the intolerance the Israeli government has for dissent and its attempts to interfere with editorial policy as shown in the trial of Netanyahu where some of the charges related to trying to buy positive newspaper coverage. Many including Israeli protesters believe the Gaza war was in part about keeping Netanyahu in power



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,613 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Interesting update that the pro-Zionist rag known as the Daily Telegraph lied about the British Museum removing references to Palestine and the museum say they have no plans to make such changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyzen2lgw9o

    They're **** crazy these boys. It's like looking through a Portal to 2000 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    This single paragraph, where does one even begin

    “Reports suggest the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers were wrongly believed to be trying to deliver army conscription orders. Military service is mandatory for most Jewish Israelis, but ultra‑Orthodox Jews have long been exempt. Moves to reform this have caused outrage among the community”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Surprising that alleged war criminal #1 (at large) didn't accuse them of antisemitism and starting a Pogrom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The war is definitely so alleged war criminal #1 (at large) stays out of the domestic courts whilst waiting for his pre-emptive pardon from Herzog.

    To keep the war going, he even brought back Ben-Gvir to cabinet to pass a budget and avoid a govt. collapse.

    Ben-Gvir is a convicted terrorist and racist.

    There is no level too low.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Many cannot see why the Haredi are exempt when ordinary Israelis are routinely conscripted.

    That the Haredi lost the plot when the two cops turned up (seemingly for something else entirely) is no surprise. They have form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    IMO those nutters are the biggest existential threat to Israel in the long term, from an objective point of view. (Bibi is on the list as well, of course).

    There are far too many people in this thread, and IRL, who treat Israelis as a monolithic block, when in reality there are huge divisions in Israeli society, as you know (as with most large groups… that equally applies to Palestinians).

    As I've said before on this thread, one of the biggest problems in the Gaza conflict is that both sides are very badly led, and by extremists. Those nutter's votes have contributed significantly to that. Religious extremism never mixes well with politics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    A cursory search of Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich and what they have done over the last two years (and previously) would make your eyes water. These are cabinet ministers.

    However, neither of those two are as devious as Netanyahu. Neither of them have a warrant out for their arrest either.

    Overall, the current state of Israel puts Cuba, North Korea and Russia in the ha'penny place. Plus undoubtedly a whole load of other basket case nations.

    I really do sympathise with Israelis who abhor how their country is being dragged beyond the gutter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Tense times ahead. Good Haaretz summary:


    Israeli defense officials expect the upcoming Muslim holy month of Ramadan to be particularly tense, amid what the IDF concedes is a worrying rise in violent friction between settlers and Palestinians in the West Bank.

    As Haaretz recently reported, police data shows that Israelis committed an average of four nationalist crimes against Palestinians daily during the first half of January.

    Sources in Israel's defense establishment added that a series of Netanyahu government policy decisions regarding the number of worshippers allowed into holy sites and the legalization of unauthorized settlements are perceived by the Palestinian Authority as violations of signed agreements and de facto annexation, and that the Palestinian public feels humiliated.

    These assessments are being made in the shadow of the possibility of a U.S. attack on Iran. IDF officials believe that if the United States acts, Israel may find itself coming under Iranian missile attacks. Such a scenario, intelligence officials estimate, will encourage lone wolf terror attacks by individuals who want to demonstrate support for Tehran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems video evidence from the Palestinian killed was enough for the charges against this settler.

    Hmm - video evidence confirming murder of Palestinians - where have I seen that before?


    Yinon Levi, a settler sanctioned by the U.S., U.K. and Canada, will be charged with the reckless manslaughter of Palestinian activist Awdah Hathaleen in the village of Umm al-Kheir last July. 

    The indictment against Levi, who was released to house arrest a day after the shooting, is unusual: 93.6 percent of investigations into violence against Palestinians in the West Bank over the past two decades have ended without charges being filed, according to a report by human rights organization Yesh Din.

    On the day Hathaleen was killed, Levi was working with other settlers on state land near a settlement built on the village's agricultural section.

    The settlers proceeded to drive an excavator through the village's private land, after which Palestinian residents tried to block them, with some throwing stones.

    Eyewitnesses told Haaretz at the time that Hathaleen was not involved in the stone-throwing and was standing further back, at a community center that Levi was firing at.

    A video Hathaleen filmed immediately before his death captured Levi shooting at him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    More detail on the Haredi riots reported a few posts back:


    On Sunday, hundreds of Haredim rampaged through the city of Bnei Brak, torching trash cans and tipping over a police car in response to an official IDF visit by women soldiers, who were attacked by residents and had to be evacuated by police.

    Following the riot, PM Netanyahu said that "any instance of Israeli citizens harming IDF soldiers is severely crossing a red line," but stressed that the rioters were "an extremist minority that does not represent the entire Haredi community." 

    On Monday, Israeli courts released all 26 detainees.

    One of the soldiers who was attacked told Israeli news outlet Walla that she "had asked my commanders not to go there and they didn't listen to me," adding that they tried to hide in a garbage can and escape the scene, but the crowd found them anyway.

    A relative of one of the detainees told Haaretz that "there was no lynching of female soldiers, it was a legitimate protest," adding that "soldiers cannot feel safe in Bnei Brak. They are not welcome in Bnei Brak. You want to forcibly recruit Haredim."

    Sunday's riot is the latest in a series of violent clashes between the Haredi community and law enforcement in protests by the former against mandatory military service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    More evidence of an apartheid regime (and Ben-Gvir).

    Haaretz:

    A father and son were shot and killed inside a car in northern Israel on Monday, and a third person was fatally shot in a suspected revenge killing, raising Israel's total homicides this year to 52, including 47 from the country's Arab community.

    In 2025, 249 Arab citizens of Israel were killed, an average of one person every 36 hours.

    In 2022, 108 Arab Israelis were murdered.

    That number more than doubled to 242 in 2023, the year in which Itamar Ben-Gvir became National Security Minister.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The lyrics are more valid three decades later.

    Post edited by wildgreen on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    A family member of the of the board of peace Chairman is investing in a new Israeli start up.

    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/eric-trump-invest-xtend-drone-company-5d8e61f4?mod=e2tw

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israeli Govt. desperate to take Palestinian land in the WB (in violation of ICJ rulings). Of course, there's a lot of condemnation - including from the US.


    Haaretz

    Amid a concerted push by the Netanyahu government to "kill the idea of a Palestinian state," as far-right Finance Minister Smotrich said last week, Israel's cabinet approved a resolution on Sunday to register 15 percent of the land in the West Bank's Area C, which is under Israeli civil control.

    According to the resolution, should Palestinians fail to prove ownership of the land, it will be registered as owned by the state. Experts who spoke to Haaretz believe that many Palestinians will struggle to prove ownership and will be dispossessed of their land because of this measure.

    The Israeli government argued that the measure was taken in response to attempts by the Palestinian Authority to regulate land in Area C, which falls outside its jurisdiction.

    A member of the Planners for Planning Rights NGO told Haaretz that the Palestinian regulation process is meaningless in areas under Israeli civil control, and that "the government is using it as a baseless argument to justify renewing land regulation in a way that violates international law."

    Countries crucial to President Trump's Board of Peace have condemned the resolution, with⁠ Saudi Arabia, ‌the UAE, Turkey, Egypt, and Qatar calling it a "dangerous escalation that will further ‌heighten tensions ⁠and instability" in the ‌territory and wider region, and are a "flagrant violation of international law."

    Meanwhile, at the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations on Monday evening, U.S. Senator Graham said that annexing the West Bank would be a "mighty blow" to Israel on the world stage that will isolate it "even more."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The current annexation of the West Bank will quickly lead to the forced displacement of those Palestinians followed by the bombing of those refugees when they are forced into Jordan and the theft of land in Jordan as has happened in Lebanon and Syria. It is like watching blood oozing across the land or a cancer spreading through the body.

    Compounding Jordan’s anxiety is a deep sense of abandonment by its oldest ally: the United States. For decades, the “Jordanian option” —the stability of the Hashemite Kingdom — was a cornerstone of US policy.

    But Oraib al-Rantawi, director of the Al-Quds Center for Political Studies, argued that this “strategic wager” has collapsed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    2 French-Israeli citizens have been sued for war crimes including blocking aid getting into Gaza. Judges have ordered them to appear, though not for their arrest.

    Macron not happy about this. Says a French national should never be accused of genocide. The people of Algeria might have something to say about that.

    The National Assembly recently passed a law against anti semitism which has been criticised as trying to ban criticism of Israel.



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