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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,314 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    No, but the announcement of the merge was always "at some point in the future". It has to happen during one of the spine launches, due to bus numbers/depot, I believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭dublinman1990




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭AdmiralHip


    Yes this was the article I read. I was just curious if the pushback was announced before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭AdmiralHip


    They were saying before it was going to be about July 2026 a few weeks ago, so that's why I was wondering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭A2000


    Screenshot_20260209_172327_TFI Live.jpg

    Not looking too good today.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,628 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It will happen when the D-Spine launches, which will now be in 2027 due to the lack of funding for service expansion in the 2026 budget. Staffing issues and the slow pace of depot electrification would also push the date back.

    This has been mentioned several times in this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    From a brief look at bustimes, it seems the 3 southbound buses that are on/have passed d'olier street were relatively on time (5-10 minutes late) until they got to d'olier street, and then got stuck going through there (SG526 even avoided Dame Street entirely it seems)

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    Edit: Seems like theres an incident on Dame Street, so buses are being diverted via Kildare Street and Stephens Green. The 80 isn't mentioned here but it seems like it's using the same diversion route

    Screenshot_20260209-174005.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Was an indicident.

    Was more on Westmooreland St actually. Saw the a firebrigade truck there on the right with an ambulance. Cycled by there around 5:15/5:20 PM.

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    Red line was roughly where incident occured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭oneilla


    is it a new thing for GoAhead to start routes halfway? I've seen it 2 or 3 times now on the S4 and S6 where an empty bus is sitting at a traffic light just before a stop with "out of service" on the board and then lights as it approaches the stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭hfjm20


    As someone who uses their services quite frequently, they are an awful operator. This would not surprise me if their scheduling made this necessary



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,478 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It's done as a service recovery measure, rather than cancelling an entire run.

    Basically the service wouldn't run at all if that wasn't done, so its turning terrible for all to terrible for some. The bus would likely run empty to turn back for the return service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    They're both high frequency services, so it makes sense to get a late-running bus back on time by skipping part (or all) of the route. Dublin Bus has to do the exact same thing. That's the main reason why routes like the 27 and the E1 have such a high rate of cancellations. It's not their fault though. Because of a chronic lack of investment in bus priority measures, buses are generally at the mercy of traffic, which differs from day to day. The only alternative to late-running would be to have a different timetable, depending on what day of the week it is. Which wouldn't be a bad idea at all, actually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,727 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    When you're waiting at a stop and it goes past, but you see it on the live map getting to your destination 15 mins later while you are still waiting, it's not a great feeling though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,382 ✭✭✭Daith


    How does the NTA calculate timings though. Do they run test buses for routes each day at different times to calculate them before the route is launched



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    They use the previous three weeks of runnings and get an average... Which doesn't work when It's summer, school holidays, midterms or Christmas 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭TonyK45


    This topic has been covererd on numerous posts on this site. It also happens, with Dublin Bus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Its unreliability like that which makes it very difficult to give up the car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,336 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Is it beyond belief to extend the TFI app say to "watch a particular departure or bus" and tell me if it gets cancelled /turned short or whatever immediately so I can make other plans



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭George White


    EYes but the trouble is the TFI no longer send your enquiries to the people who will listen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,336 ✭✭✭trellheim




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭George White


    Exactly, but that lack of accountability is why I have been campaigning for two years for an interface that gets the customer an answer from a person who knows their onions and not some underpaid poor sap who isn't going to give you an answer cos they are not paid enough to do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    I had assumed that TFI twitter was just a bot? There is zero info available from them beyond what's on the app, no matter how inaccurate that may be. They've also said they can't view information from a screenshot, which is suspicious.

    I could fill in the official TFI contact form nearly every day if bothered, but tend to only do so for a problem that becomes recurrent - so maybe once a month. Response time is usually around a fortnight, and nearly always, it's a vague response about traffic and operational issues, no specific info, and often fails to even address the query in the first place. Only once have I received a meaningful response, and that was referenced to being from the controller of the route in question. Even when they actually fixed a specific timetable issue I raised, the response they actually gave me was generic nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,273 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Car journey times in the Dublin area are far from consistent or reliable. Some days the traffic is even worse than usual due to weather, a crash, or some indeterminate reason. So this is a nonsense excuse tbh

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Heavy bus delays still drive people back to their cars, no matters how much you dont like the fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭George White


    Exactly. And when you ring them the person on the switchboard generally doesn't know anything and is only there to log the complaint in the same way you do via the form. I keep telling them to stop the replies being generic nonsense, to reinstate email, and all I ever get is generic nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Nathan Jessep


    It good to see that the pubic are starting to see that dublin bus is not totally to blame for a bad service, that the NTA have got to take the lions share of blame, they are incompetent and keep showing they are.

    Once this is widely accepted, only then can we see action being taken in the correct areas to improve the service, we are getting there , slowly but surely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Loads of missing W6s on Monday morning after 2 no-shows in Maynooth I went back for the car. I submitted a complaint to TFI. I received a couple of pointless emails to confirm date, time, route and direction despite it all being in my original complaint. Then I was told the service was operated, I challenged and said it was a no-show along with the one after it, they said they'd check with the operator, what did they do the first time? Then they confirmed operator error and said they considered it resolved. I asked what operator error meant, and it's basically a catch-all for traffic, accidents, breakdowns, and calling in sick. Looking at bus times, there was a 2-hour gap in departures to Maynooth from the Square and the corresponding knock-on then at Maynooth, along with a service operating from Celbridge. If the team handling the complaints have no idea what's going on, does anyone higher up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    @tnegun Do you think that's solely a TFI issue (re the inaccurate info provided in response to you) or do you think GAI gave them wrong info? I found it more difficult get any meaningful answer about issues on GAI services compared to DB, albeit both via TFI obviously. Recently they've been denying that the W2 is regularly skipping the terminus when starting from Liffey Valley and starting at the next stop outside the centre. Yet this is 100% happening daily (passengers at terminus experiencing ghost buses but bus shows on tracking map for subsequent stops) and is backed up by the data on bustimes. And this is not an issue of getting the bus back on time - would only mean a difference of a couple of minutes anyway - as the buses in question are usually parked up on the ring road outside the shopping centre carpark with driver on board, and then just don't bother driving in to first stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭tnegun


    I'm not sure, but anytime I've complained its usually a stock answer and then when pressed or contradicted, they might get some vaguely accurate information but I can never be sure if its just fobbing me off. They don't seem to understand the difference between a service covering the full route or starting in the middle somewhere, or when a service operates 90 mins late it's ridiculous to say the service operated!! It also doesn't help thats its a different person responding every time, they never seem to read the previous correspondence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭TonyK45


    I see that the timetables have gone 'invisible' for most routes, on the bustimes.org site.

    Only 1, 4 and 11 have anything!



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