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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,939 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I’d love to see the offloading of Tom Farrell outside the offloading of McCloskey vs Wales.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭HanShotFirst


    I would be deeply concerned if that happened.

    Nothing against Byrne but it would signify that this coaching ticket is completely flummoxed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Jelly Welly


    sexton needs to go back making glass or whatever. He’s totally unsuited to coaching/management. V like Roy Keane



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,888 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Mentioned above that Crowley has been getting similar game time to Sam. Hugely inaccurate, he's been getting 15mins a game in general. Quite often of course playing out of position with Sam playing on. Anyway lets be positive and hope the coaches see the light when they select the team. Sextons commentary on radio seem to suggest it's Harry's turn now and Crowley will be sidelined yet again. Perhaps it's time to sideline Johnny!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Trey13


    There is no way that Sam starts this weekend, in fact I think he will be left out of the 23 completely.

    Big picture we are getting gametime into all of our 10s which hopefully benefits us for the 27 world cup. South Africa and France get lauded for changing teams, so I don't really see an issue with chopping and changing 10s for this campaign and the rest of the year. It is all about building experience.

    With that being said, I am worried about the 21 jersey along with the centres. As good as Stu has been, I do worry that we are in a position where we can only possibly pick a player to play in the centre over the age of 30 (if not well into their 30s). We need to give some game time to other alternatives - be that Osbourne or Postlewaithe. As for 21, I just don't think Casey is really at the level to play an important role for Ireland. I think as a third choice he's fine, but I just don't rate him to be the 21 in a team contending for a world cup.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Jelly Welly


    Ireland won’t be contending for a WC. Seriously - get real.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭ersatz


    yeah, Irelands performance that day was atrocious. A lot of blather subsequently about how terrible soldier field organisation was, all true, and it being Irelands first game. Not so much about how all of the pathologies were on full display, sloppy kicking, meh defence, no attack and poor discipline. Wasn’t lost on NZ how abysmal they were even if the squealed a win. We haven’t improved since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,539 ✭✭✭✭phog


    A view of how Sam's development was handled by Farrell (by someone who is not a Leinster or Munster fan)

    Sam Prendergast was rushed into the Irish setup. There was strong talk he was heading to Connacht in summer 2024, but once the Irish setup made it clear he was in the Six Nations picture, that move disappeared and he stayed at Leinster.

    He’d only started eight URC games and wasn’t even Leinster’s first-choice European 10, yet he was thrown straight into a Six Nations.

    Two seasons starting at Connacht, mixed with Ireland bench minutes and a summer tour, might have been the better development path. He’d have built resilience, especially through tough losses. 😉

    It’s easy to blame keyboard warriors when things go wrong, but fast-tracking a young 10 with limited senior exposure was always going to carry risk. Maybe it also highlights how different international environments are from week-to-week club coaching when it comes to managing dips in form.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,788 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Sam Prendergast was indisputably the Leinster European starting 10 when he playing in the 6Nations so that is already wrong.

    The idea he would have been better off at Connacht under a coach that left mid-season instead of playing Champions Cup rugby for Leinster is also farcical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,539 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Sam Prendergast was indisputably the Leinster European starting 10 when he playing in the 6Nations 

    Is he even that now?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,281 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    A view of Sam's development by someone who hasn't a clue would be a better title.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,554 ✭✭✭OldRio


    The Scrum needs fixing. I still have flashbacks to 2012 in Twickenham. Ross then Court. Shudder.

    After the French game we were lured into a false sense of security. Looking back the French never targeted the scrum. IMHO Loughman hasn't done nearly enough to be considered for the England match. Sheehan is well below his best and Clarkson was hooked at half time v Italy. A complete change of the front row could help. Although who knows? This could be ugly. 2012. Shudders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,087 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,539 ✭✭✭✭phog


    4 European Cup games played by Leinster so far this season and Sam only started two of them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,939 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Incorrect. Harry Byrne and Prendergast have shared 2 starts each this season, Byrne starting away from home, Prendergast the home fixtures.

    Byrne has 168 minutes. Prendergast 196, but some of those coming when moved to 15.

    Whatever about anything else, there's no credible argument that Prendergast is "indisputably the Leinster European starting 10" this season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Dan Sheehan also started two games in Europe and benched the other two. He is therefore not the first choice hooker at Leinster.

    I'm sorry but pulling a random post from some other unidentified discussion board or WhatsApp group and posting it here as some sort of appeal to authority is a stretch, to say the least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,332 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Sexton needs to go and learn his trade.

    He needs to see the coaching world outside of Leinster and Ireland.

    He needs to serve his time, learn the ropes and work his way up.

    He needs to move outside the bubble he has operated in for over a decade now.

    The apprenticeship that ROG served him well and prepared him for success as a head coach. That’s the template recently retired players need to work off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,539 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Ah here, you're not even close to comparing like for like, one is barely out of the academy and the other is Lion.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,289 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Weird conversation.

    Sam prendergast started every single champions cup game from round 1 to the semi final in the 2024/25 season.

    This stuff isn't difficult to check lads....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,939 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    And… hasn't this season.

    I don't think we can as equivocally say he's indisputably Leinster's starting 10 this season.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,939 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Tbh there's a conversation to be had there too; I don't think it'd be a massive shock if, for example, Kelleher was selected ahead of him for the England game given Sheehan's recent performances.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,289 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    That anonymous word piece from phog above, which people are replying to, isn't referring to this season.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,788 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    He was, however, indisputably the starting 10 when he first played in the 6N which is what I originally said (and the opposite of what the commenter said).

    We will find out about this season though given we'll be at home from here on out, even if they follow the same logic it would be Prendergast. I would be surprised with anything else, but it is obviously not quite set in stone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,939 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    And,Pudsy's post that I replied to, is referring to this season.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,788 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Sure, but how?

    The top 3 looseheads are missing. You can bring in Milne for Loughman but that isn't going to do anything for the scrum. Might at least provide something more around the park though (Loughman was pretty awful in that aspect, and if he isn't going to bring at least some scrum stability what is the point). Maybe TOT at loosehead will be a roaring success, but it is a real throw of the dice.

    The players simply aren't there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Ronan Kelleher is also a Lion, and in fact is a veteran of two tours compared to Sheehan's miserly one tour.

    He must therefore be the Leinster first choice.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,289 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    If you are replying to pudsy, please don't quote me.....



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,788 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The pivot to talking about this season is solely because it was incredibly obvious that the impartial, sage commentary posted was actually complete nonsense.

    • wrong about SP's experience
    • utterly wrong about a misfiring, partly coachless Connacht in the Challenge Cup being a better scenario than being the starting 10 in a Champions Cup semi-final team

    It really doesn't deserve a second more of any of our times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,939 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    To be fair syd, in what way is Pudsy's post not part of the "conversation" you mentioned.



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,289 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I never mentioned the word "conversation"??

    I also never mentioned this season, so I've no idea why you quoted me to make a point about this season, I was simply correcting that anonymous word piece that was posted.

    I've no issue with what you said, but I've also no idea why you quoted me to say it, as that's a point which I didn't make at all.



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