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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭Rusheseverywhere


    Drumshanbo always seems to have some. Stick and ad on done deal say get them no bother. 99% just go to closest mart to farmer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭endainoz


    Worth giving a go I suppose, be a grand simple system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The price was across both AAX and CHX. I wouldn't buy anything near 6 months that's not squeezed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭Packrat


    How're you going to feed cull cows at the price of organic ration? Or are you thinking of just holding them dry for a year and hope they fatten on grass?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,107 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Cull cows fatten away on grass if quality is any way ok. If you are will to give them time is the main factor. Yes at present with the price of beef V grain prices irs economical to use ration, traditionally it 3as mostly grass based finishing

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭endainoz


    What would be the target weight for a cull cow anyway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Doubt he has a weight target, it's buying price v selling price, there's small cows and big cows out there, it's a matter of getting a basic fat cover and moving on. Growth is done when there a cow. Basic fat cover is key.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    Sold three bullocks today in Sixmile.

    Very high quality 24-26 month old LMx. All U grade types.

    Averaged 565kg and averaged 2890. Very happy with that. To finish them and get them to the factory at 8.15 a kg would cost a few quid. Hard to see a margin of any sort.

    They never saw a nut bar approx 100kg each as calves during weaning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭Rusheseverywhere


    Lovely price; were they sold in the ordinary trade or Organic? I decided I am stopping going to the factory and the organic ones seem to be getting bigger cut from the farmer then the ordinary factories.. Get more for cattle in the mart as you said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    There was an organic sale there today that they were part of . So assume bought organic but sher could have been a feed lot easily aswell.

    I have a few for cahir next week booked in (first time ever). So will be an interesting comparison. They have eaten 2 tonne between them the last 3 months and coupled with the hassle of feeding them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    Maths don’t work. How much feeding would they need to get to 400kg carcass to make 3300or 3400 or so in cahir (8.15 a kg).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Might go straight to the factory IWT. I had Rs that made €3K at 370kg deadweight Also had eaten €140 meal. You did very well.

    Bought 5 weanling stores last Sat. One had pneumonia yesterday. Caught in time, vet call. Gave all five a shot up the nose as a precaution.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 13,083 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Great price there. It sure will be interesting to compare with the ones going to the factory. Is that €8.15 a kg for R grades or flat?

    The market for finished organic beef seems to be very limited. I got on better last year selling bull weanlings than bullocks in the mart. I've no idea who bought either of them, most likely the bulls went to a feedlot.

    I wonder is there scope to sell organic beef that is 100% grass fed? Bordbia is in scutter now and it won't be long before joe public starts to ask some more questions about just what exactly the meat on supermarket shelves was fed on besides grass.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Beef finished on grass would be high in Omega 3 v Omega 6. That advantage is lost once you grain feed cattle heavily, either organic or non organic. That's a good USP. However that would then be a seasonal product. The extreme alternative is finish all cattle on grass or off season red clover silage. Maybe kill 8/9 months of the year and use frozen product in the off season. Dan Ketteridge would have done work on the Omega 3 aspect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    doubtful, big shapy continental cattle, would need feeding to get fat cover on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 13,083 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    I think Clive Bright up in Sligo is doing it successfully all year round. A group of us (conventional suckler beef discussion group) visited Dovea recently. The oldest member of the group is 82 or 83, there wouldn't be anyone under 40 in the group and I'd say the average age is roughly late 50s.

    90% of the time was spent going through the catalogue on the charolais, blue and limo bulls available. 10% of the time was spent looking at 'easy' calving bulls for heifers. Feckit I don't want to be out using a calving jack at any time of day never mind at 3 o'clock in the morning. Those days are gone for me anyway and probably every other member in our DG too.

    The point I'm trying to make is there's loads of stats available on carcase weight, calving difficulty (one bull we looked at is 21%) conformation etc. But there's nothing on meat eating quality (MEQ), or feed conversion at grass. I think the ai companies and icbf are missing a trick here, I could be wrong.

    Maybe all we should be looking at is how nice a steak looks on the shelf or how cheap and lean the mince is in the local Aldi. But I know the difference between a grain fed steak and a grass fed steak when I'm eating it. It's like the difference between a free range chicken and the sh1te that passes for chicken these days.

    Yes I agree it's not going to work for extreme continental types of cattle, but there's potential for it to work on limos, perhaps saler and aubrac breeds.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Brian McGee DAFM addressing the Oireacthas Agriculture Committee;

    McGee said there is currently a 30% gap between supply and demand in Europe for organic beef.

    "Consumers are looking for it, and they are paying for it at the cash register. Over the long term, organics will pay off for farmers.

    "In my very strong view, I think it's a premium segment of the market. It's the top shelf," he said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭endainoz


    Does anyone have any experience with flame weeders? Not on a farm scale but one to use for around the house and drive way. I see small cheap looking ones that use a small glass cylinder from a camping stove or there are bigger ones that use the bigger barrel but the obvious disadvantage of that one is that you'd be lugging a gas barrel around. The smaller ones look good and light but id guess you'd fly through the camping stove gas canisters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    OH uses them quite a bit on the patio and driveway. Work fine but you will have regrowth.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    To follow up I sold 2 more today in killmallock. Plainer types vs the ones I sold above in sixmile and obviously a lot less flesh.

    480 kg made 2800

    520kg made 2900

    Mental prices all day there.



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