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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Taking all that into account and considering the weather forecast, if Ireland win, it will surely go down as one of our best ever wins under Farrell. Agreed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Really looking forward to seeing what Izzy, Casey and Baloucoune can bring from the start. Hoping Edogbo has the impact we all believe he can have and put his hand up for next week.

    TOT covering LH is a bit of a strange call, but Farrell obviously sees something he likes and an ambidextrous prop is always useful. Let’s see if he can do it.

    Overall like the look of the team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,888 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Also think it's a poor selection though very glad to see James Lowe back. He's been outstanding for Ireland and would be a cert on any other 6N team. I wouldn't have picked Osborne, Prendergast or McCarthy. I'm convinced at this stage that Johnny is the influence in the outhalf position. Anyways let's get behind the boys in green and see can we beat Italy and get some feel good factor going



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    Worth noting that TOT is scrummaging in traininer against 3 Lions TH props. If he’s making a positive impression in training to the point he’s trusted in a test match then it’s worth exploring.


    Being able to scrum on both sides could be his ticket to a place in Irelands RWC squad in 2 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,966 ✭✭✭almostover


    Lions test starter against an Aus team that Ireland beat handily in the AI? I would get too far ahead with that.

    His performances agaisnt France in the last two 6N games have been very poor and ill disciplined.

    I won't argue that he has huge potential but his attitude and mentality still have a way to go.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,281 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Who the opposition was is irrelevant - he was a test starter on merit, and played his way in their on the tour, like he played his way onto the tour with the quality of his performances up to that.

    He was undoubtedly poor last week (and wasn't alone with that) and will need to be a lot better this week, but denigrating past achievements is unfair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,966 ✭✭✭almostover


    I'm not denigrating past performaces, just giving context to this year's Lions tour. My own personal bias against the modern day Lions probably colours my judgement a bit.

    Joe has been good for Leinster in the CC this season for sure. But at this level you're only as good as your last game. He was in the mix for the poorest performing Irish player last week. Hopefully he turns that around on Saturday. The real litmus test will be agaisnt Chessum and Itoje the following week though.

    My general issue with Joe though is his propensity to resort to stupid penalties and YCs when his team is under pressure up front. What we need from him are momentum shifting moments when we're under pressure, a turnover, dominant tackle or a big carry. Not gifting the opposition 3pts like last week or getting a stupid, needless YC like last year. I worry that he keeps making these same mistakes and that it will retract from his undoubted power and ability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,939 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    The dominant tackles in particular, imo, is what we need to start seeing more of from him.

    He’s the enforcer / bruiser lock, so we need more from him in those exchanges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,710 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Dropping Stockdale is a funny one, he wasn't great last week but he also wasn't any worse than other backs. Bringing him in looked to have any eye on the next couple of years so why not give him another shot to see if he can impose himself on the game and build a bit of confidence? Now it looks like he was used just to give Lowe a kick in the arse. And dropping Beirne to the bench while starting Joe is another head scratcher. If ever there was a time to let Joe stew on the bench for 60 minutes surely this is it. Sure, Beirne looks like he could do with a break but Joe definitely needs to understand that he needs a bit of maturity or he's out. Anyway, otherwise an interesting team, no guarantees that this won't be a major struggle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,020 ✭✭✭50HX


    Ignoring the 21 missed tackles, 14 penalties conceeded, 18 turnovers conceeded by Italy

    Yes their lineout was superior than Scotland but they were broadly similar in scrum success.

    They are a better side than they have been previously which is good for the 6N's & will give us a test at times but they won't beat us.

    They above numbers aren't great reading, the fact they won v Scot has turned this into a conversation that it really shouldn't be in all honesty.

    As long as we are not silly enough to turn down the 3pts when tney are on offer ( & tbey will be), bomb it down the channell of Ioane as he is poor in the air then we have 2 avenues of decent return to settle the team down.

    Its a kind of no win situation in some respects, loose & the wheels are coming off, win impressively & its how poor Italy were, win playing poorly & its the same o



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,332 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,332 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    No way Timoney starts against England.


    VDF will be back and if he isn’t Doris will stay at 7



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,966 ✭✭✭almostover


    I'm fairly convinced Farrell wants to play Doris at 7 vs. England. I'm also thinking we could see Beirne at 6 too for that game unless Izuchukwu makes himself un-droppable with his performance on Saturday. And then there will be 2 backrows on the bench and Timoney, VdF, Izuchukwu and Cian Prendergast will be battling for those 2 places. Something tells me Timoney won't be in the matchday squad vs. England.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Farrell’s immediate post match comments were about a lack of intensity and fight. I doubt he came down too hard on Joe Mc for smashing into a ruck, even if it was a ridiculous penalty to concede.

    In contrast, Prendergast and VDF smashed into very little and are replaced by players who will be expected to bring a lot more physicality.

    Beirne was pretty timid too, Ryan came on like a maniac (in a good way) including that massive hit on Jalibert and he starts on Saturday.

    We needed a reaction to what we saw last week, Farrell looks to have reacted, hopefully the players follow suit.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,289 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    As loath as I am to contradict Ian madigan, and I haven't seen his comments, but that French ruck was inside their 10 meter line so Osbourne had to cover the 50:22. The fact that TOB was actually able to get to ramos from the chip over showed that the covering positions were adequate. What wasn't covered was the unpredictability of ramos, and very few defenses can plan for that.

    Yes the danger could have been averted had Osbourne been higher up the pitch, outside the 22, but that would also have opened the 50/22 option for DuPont, for which orbourne would have been castigated over.

    Our back 3 in that game were no where near the level of their opposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,939 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I doubt he came down too hard on Joe Mc for smashing into a ruck, even if it was a ridiculous penalty to concede.

    I'd be surprised if he didn't, come down hard on Joe Mc, tbh, even if it hasn't resulted in him being dropped here. It wasn't even a remotely marginal penalty, where the timing was off, say. And it's far from his first silly penalty.

    Wanting more intensity and fight, and not giving away daft penalties are not mutually exclusive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,506 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Was going to say Johnny O'connor. Remember George Hook wanted BOD to move into the back row at one stage!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,966 ✭✭✭almostover


    I posted here earlier in the week about each of the no.10s kicking percentages, plus that of Nathan Doak. It ranged from 71-79%.

    Thomas Ramos is 88.5% in the top 14 and 100% in the champions cup. Incredible really.

    It's another area of skills where we have fallen behind in recent times.

    Sexton, for whom goal kicking was arguably his weakest skill, had an 80% kicking percetage for Ireland in his final season. It's an interesting angle to show how our skill levels in general have dropped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Ryan got into a scuffle with half the French team after that tackle, was notable that not a single Irish player joined in (that I saw).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭thamus doku


    I disagree that it’s a no win situation.
    the reality is Ireland are a good bit behind France and England.
    Beating Italy Scotland and wales will a job well done by Ireland. Beating England would be a great result.

    There has been times we struggled against Italy and our players were in general good form. That’s not the case anymore.

    And I think Farrell is Struggling to manage this. This happens a lot of coaches - they are good when their players are good but they cannot manage an average team , they just don’t have that mentality.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭part time punk


    Fine line between controlled agression and giving away too many penalties/ yellow cards. I thought Ryan was lucky to get away with that late hit on Jailibert.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,966 ✭✭✭almostover


    Johnny Concrete! Now that's a blast from the past!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,539 ✭✭✭✭phog


    King of the Castle

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,785 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I think we have tried Ryan and Beirne in the past and it is just too light a second row pairing. I imagine that is what has saved McCarthy in this case but everyone is going to be on a pretty short leash I'd say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Trying to continue the O’Toole to loosehead experiment is just insane to me. It’s been clear for the last 18 months that Ulster have no interest in playing him there. They were willing to go out and splash big money on Angus Bell before they tried O’Toole at LH. Therefore, he’s never going to be a long term option there for Ireland if he’s never playing there for Ulster. Milne went well off the bench last week. Should be pumping more minutes into him, getting him up to speed. Just a baffling call by Farrell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭typhoony


    Farrell has been doing his own thing for years, he's been lucky with the players he inherited and a few talented players that he brought in. Now that he has to shuffle the broken deck chairs on the Titanic he and the players are being found out.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,417 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Good clip of O Driscoll talking at an OTB event up in Belfast. thoughts on this?

    https://x.com/offtheball/status/2022064418771616048



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,020 ✭✭✭50HX


    He is spot on re our style.

    With the way the game has gone with escort laws kick contestables etc we need to bring something different.

    The worst thing to do is to compete against teams in a style that they are good at.

    Its why we never play loose v NZ or France as they will shred you in open play.

    We never had the grunt to beat up a SA but we did it a different way.

    If we go to Twickenham & play a kick contestable game we will get ripped to shreds, England a beatable just don't play them at what they are good at.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    True. But size isn't everything either. If it were we'd be sorted with Alan Spicer!

    Anyways, hopefully Edwin can step up to the mark and show he is capable of international test rugby.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Clip of SP's tackles. There's a few on the gainline (a couple of good tap tackles that stall momentum) and a few that have been mentioned - the tackle is technically 'made' but there's huge post-contact metres. That's the nuance that some on here are referring to in response to 'he made X tackles'.



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