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Clampdown on TV 'Dodgy Boxes'

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Are you ever concerned that your association with organised crime could be made public in the future? Epstein files style

    That escalated quickly.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 18,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Thanks for your reply.

    The way I see it is that the mainstream providers won't be reducing prices, and that IPTV or something similar will continue.

    It's been that way for quite a while.

    Whilst there's no such thing as a reputable IPTV sub provider, if you use an established and foreign source, a throwaway email address, use one of the better and safer devices, and pay using crypto, your chances of detection are very remote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    My trigger level is bigger than your trigger level.

    Jesus Christ 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,461 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I am just wondering how many of these reporters, experts and even gardaí have dodgy boxes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,700 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Any sign of a link to this report yet?

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,497 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    So you believe GT an accountancy and corporate consulting firm out of the goodness of their hearts are warning the public to not use dodgy boxes and are doing so completely independently of the multiple articles over the last several months that were very obviously pushed by Sky and various other TV platform lobbyists spouting the same anti dodgy box lines?

    I've a bridge to sell you btw

    Also FYI I don't have a dodgy box nor do I think people should use them. Torrenting does me fine and is far far harder to track and ultimately prosecute for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    How come Weckler did not get in on the latest dodgy box story?

    https://muckrack.com/adrianweckler



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,828 ✭✭✭jj880


    I was triggered first a few weeks ago apparently! I'll take the shirt of any man's back that says otherwise!

    Some are determined to put every android device into the cheapo dregs category shipped with malware pre-installed.

    Its a tiny % of all devices but they wont hear different. Doesn't suit the hyperbole.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It's now well established that the hyperbole is being put out from time to time in the Mainstream Media. 09 February was the must sustained barrage I ever saw. It does not have to be factual, and is full of holes from a technical aspect. The TV detector vans of the past, which still live in folk memory, were another version of this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,700 ✭✭✭jmcc


    What about proof? Is an e-mail address alone proof of someone using a dodgybox service?

    How can a broadcaster go about linking that person with the use of that dodgybox to access the broadcaster's programming for which the broadcaster has no contract with the person suspected of pirating the service?

    How can a broadcaster prove that a person used a dodgybox to access their service?

    Gets a bit murky when it comes to something like proof.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    They are not just an accountancy firm, they are a consultancy that offer things like professional services in areas like cyber security.

    Publishing reports on the security impact of cheap IOT equipment is something companies like that do, it helps raise their profile in that area.

    As I said the main focus of their report wasn't even about dodgy boxes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    They could argue in court that clients of criminals who they got settlements against, were involved in a joint criminal exercise with the provider. They have deep pockets, and taking a few dozen of these cases and arranging plenty of publicity, would further serve to put the wind up the lads getting a bit queasy. It will all depend on them getting the details of those who are on the client list.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/10/24/judgment-against-three-dodgy-box-operators-who-may-have-to-pay-hundreds-of-thousands-to-sky/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,700 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Lots of waffle about this wonderful report. Where is it?

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    I don't think there is any report as such.

    Just Grant Thornton on a media and social media blitz about the potential security risks of cheap IOT devices.

    As I said in another post, getting the Grant Thornton name out there when it comes cyber security.

    See below from LinkedIn.

    I suppose it doesn't matter to you though, because you know much more than these guys anyway.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,828 ✭✭✭jj880


    A lot of stars needing to align there. These legal hurdles are after a user list is procured to begin with. Whats the process for obtaining these in any meaningful numbers?

    I have my suspicions about these raids in the media. The ngyardai might have raided for a different reason and found Anto with a big bag of brand new fire sticks. Complete luck.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,700 ✭✭✭jmcc


    So all these journalists mentioning a report from GT are not being accurate? Or is it just your theory?

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,851 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I don't see any of that happening any time soon.

    It doesn't happen with TV license evasion as it is, which is a much easier thing to prove.

    Hard to see the bad bad rights holders go after individuals in any meaningful way.

    It, alone has never worked in the past with similar copyright based infractions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    I read the RTE, IT and Indo pieces and only the IT actually mentions a report, and that is in the first few lines.

    So maybe there is no report as such.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,071 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Dont worry, there will be another Weckler dodgy box scare story just around the corner.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,700 ✭✭✭jmcc


    So you think that the Irish Times got it wrong and you got it right? Conor Pope is a good journo.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    I don't know if there is a report or not and I don't really care either.

    I'm just seeing what is reported in the media.

    You are the one that keeps asking for it, maybe contact Grant Thornton and ask them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,977 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Just out of curiosity I would like to understand why the "No".
    Some routers have 'guest' profiles built in that isolate the guest device/s from the main LAN.

    Would that not ensure the compromised device is essentially 'on its own'?

    In addition some of those cheap devices can take an alternative OS which would negate anything that might have been done to compromise it, but that would only be something a very few would do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    that’s exactly what I do. I have a TP Link mesh network and it allows you to set up an IOT network that has its own SSID and IP range. Fairly common functionality these days. I have the Android box on that network and nothing else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,497 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    And yet you are the one oddly obsessed with defending them against the big mean internet commenters….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The OP wanted to prevent all outbound traffic.

    Creating a VLAN for IOT devices is a common practice, particularly since a lot of those devices struggle with 5Ghz.

    In theory it should be more secure, but in practice devices you want to keep on a separate Lan may need to talk to IOTs at some stage.

    In addition some of those cheap devices can take an alternative OS which would negate anything that might have been done to compromise it, but that would only be something a very few would do.

    Who creates the alternative image?

    There is large and trusted network of images for STBs, but these are largely for known brands.

    I have no experience of flashing cheap generic android boxes, I imagine stability could be an issue if it isn't tailored to specific hardware.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    When there is a media piece about dodgy boxes the default position for many dodgy box evangelists here is to attack the messenger.

    For example "what does Weckler" know about technology,ball he talks about a Samsung or Apple devices...."

    Completely ignoring the fact that Weckler has to deliver his piece to a manily non tech audience and thus has to keep it simple, like talking about major consumer devices etc.

    In this case it was "what does a accounting company like Grant Thornton know about cyber security"

    I pointed out that Grant Thornton have a whole division selling professional services like cyber security, and, based on their LinkedIn profile, the person quoted in the articles is an expert in the area.

    If that's defending Grant Thornton, so be it.

    And what is wrong with that ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,497 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    To be honest my problem its your blind hypocrisy, you complain about everyone on here having an agenda by being "dodgy box evangelists" yet automatically excuse Weckler, GT et al and ignore any potential for them to have an agenda to badmouth dodgy boxes.

    Of course people who have dodgy boxes will defend them but ignoring there might be an agenda from those opposing or warning against them is either naive on your part or a good old bad faith argument.

    The thing to always consider is only one side of this topic is being paid to have an opinion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 JordanBlake95


    Lowkey feels like convos like this show how much the space has matured but also how some patterns never really change. Every cycle brings new narratives, but the core debates around trust, utility, and long-term viability always find their way back into the spotlight.

    From what I’ve seen working around Web3 launches and ecosystem storytelling, the projects that keep mindshare locked aren’t always the loudest ones. It’s usually the teams that keep shipping, communicating progress, and reinforcing their positioning even when market attention drifts elsewhere.

    Hype can onboard users fast, but sustained narrative presence is what keeps communities from fading once volatility kicks in again.

    Curious how you all see sentiment evolving from here. Do you think the next wave will be driven more by real adoption metrics or just another liquidity-fueled narrative rotation?



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