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Sinners

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    Just fyi there will be more shocking things to come in life than someone who bails on a film after 20 mins. Have a lie down deary.

    I think I'm intelligent enough to know where a film is going after 20 mins and if it's for me or not. Amazing that of all the classic films that I love, I didn't feel the urge to bail on them after 20 mins. I was usually hooked from the get go because Hollywood used to have talented people who understood storytelling and not taking liberties with your audience. Modern Hollywood is **** in comparison to it's glory days, and it's undemanding morons that think crap like Sinners is great that allow them to lower the standards. Keep eating the slop. A record number of Oscar nominations? For this??? Embarrassing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,919 ✭✭✭✭con747


    Watched it ages ago and was surprised it got so many nominations, I thought it was meh.

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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    This thread is fast approaching the point where it should probably be taken to the vet and put out of its misery.

    I've rewatched it at home since first seeing it at the cinema and for me it holds up to multiple viewings - I still think the opening at the church feels off somehow; I understand the intent but it doesn't really hit, and still feels like the sort of thing a studio asks for to make sure audiences don't get bored. And the way in which the vampires are defeated doesn't entirely feel earned (an all too common issue with vampire films, at least for me). But the rest of it? Cracking stuff.

    If you don't like the film, fair enough. I don't understand why, if you were willing to cut your losses on the film itself, you'd then stick around this thread to repeatedly argue that your opinion based on part of the film somehow carries equal weight to the opinions of people who watched the whole thing... But it's up to each of us how we spend our time, I guess 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,414 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    The bizarre thing is that you have spent longer writing your couple of posts on this thread than you actually spent watching the film.

    If you have an opinion, that's ok. But why the need to be insulting people by calling them dummies and morons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,417 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Mod note: Please don't post in this thread again artvanderlay. Nobody needs to put up with the blanket insults of anyone who disagrees with you. Any more posts here will result in a forum ban.

    As ever, same applies to anyone else - even if someone else is 'attacking the poster', please just leave it be until a mod looks at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,125 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Watched this recently and thought it was embarrassing with the whole load of zombies doing a jig 😂

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,138 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I thought that was mesmerising :)
    Clearly a film that divides opinion.

    I prefer films like that getting made than mediocre ones.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,125 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Some of it was very good. I watched the whole thing and thought they ended it well. Just felt the whole Irish music/myth part of it was a bit off. It had the usual stuff you see in all horrors where the silly people run blindly to their doom without a second thought! The twin stuff worked well and a prequel telling their story before they came home would be interesting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    and there are equally as many who will find a reason to complain just because they think something is 'liberal' or 'woke'…..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,164 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Watched it a few months back and thought it was the greatest load of sh*te ever. I ended up turning it off when they started to all dance outside in the car park. I stuck it out when they had the ghosts appearing in the dance inside and that part was just woeful. Someone saw From Dusk Till Dawn and thought they could make a version of it and oh boy they failed. The hype is just like the hype associated with Power of the Dog which was another waste of time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,762 ✭✭✭✭The Princess Bride


    I was on the fence about watching this as horror does nothing for me. It doesn't scare me, doesn't thrill me, it usually bores me.

    Sinners- I loved it!
    Everything about it.

    And I was delighted that Michael B Jordan won Best Actor award at The Actors last night, he was rather overlooked for some reason until now.

    I also love that we all have different tastes in film, how frightfully boring would life be if we didn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,509 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,397 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Just saw this tonight.

    I didn't hate it. There were things I quite liked about it, in general I am perfectly happy to have style over substance and so had no problem with any of the metaphorical scenes. If it feels cool to have vampires stomping a ceili while waiting for their victims to make a mistake then go for it, I am all for that sort of thing.

    But how in the hell is this nominated for so many Oscars?

    MBJ I can sorta understand, I could see the differences between the twins and think he did well, but supporting actor and actress? No way in hell.

    (ETA: While I think MBJ did well, I don't actually see any reason whatsoever why they got him to do both roles. What did it add to anything?)

    The biggest problem is how badly paced and uneven the film is. If you are going to have that long and slow of a setup then the payoff needs to be good, and everything from when the chinese lady invited the vampires inside was an incoherent mess. It would take far longer than I am prepared to give to list out all of the ways in which it failed to stick the landing from that point on.

    6/10, and thats generous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,979 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    I do wonder if there'll be a bit of a backlash when the votes are totted up, with people thinking "it doesn't deserve this many nominations" meaning it misses out in most categories

    I agree with you on the film overall, good but not amazing. I really enjoyed the first act build up, but for me the second half didn't stick. Obviously I knew it was a vampire film going in, but it was the vampire bits I'd have cut out 🤣

    I actually think it could have been a lot more interesting if they'd stuck straight and built a drama around trying to build and run the joint with the threat of the klan working against them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,397 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    It is definitely very strange to think that it is the movie with the most nominations in Oscar history. I suspect history won't be kind to it on reflection because of that.

    The problem with doing a more grounded "Klan" movie is that you would also have to lose most of the other mystical elements as well, they would be very out of place without the vampire threat. But lose them and you lose the inherent style of the movie itself.

    The problem isn't the vampires per se, I quite liked the vampire presentation to begin with. And using the old myth of vampires needing to be invited into places was fresh and gave me hope of an interesting resolution to the story.

    But then we got that nonsensical attack that stands up to absolutely zero scrutiny. Seriously, watch it again and ask who is getting attacked at by whom at any point, because it is a complete mess. Then the contrived scene in the water where the vampires stand and wait for the plot to dispose of them. Followed by the tacked on Klan murder scene that, yet again, makes very little sense and is full of plot holes.

    I read a comment on another forum that they should have followed on with the theme of the music being a bridge between the worlds and so used Sammi's music as a way to purge the vampires in some fashion. That could have been interesting, but certainly couldn't have been worse than the B movie ending that we got.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,796 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The post credit scene was fantastic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,796 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    And i think O'Connell was unlucky not to get a nomination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,674 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    People seem to think Oscar nominations are up against the history of other nominations.

    This doesn't have to be better than Schindlers List to get more nominations than it. It just needs to be better than other movies last year. It's a reflection of how shte 2025 was not how good Sinners is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,414 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I think it's also been previously noted that some of the categories it's nominated for are fairly new categories, so that bumps up their nominations too compared to older movies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,674 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Isn't there also more nominations now or am I misremembering. Seems like there about 7 per category now compared to 4 in the past.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,417 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    There are only ever five nominations in each category. The sole exception is best picture, which increased to up to ten nominees a decade or so ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,674 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I don't follow too closely so was probably best picture confused me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,397 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    If you get the most nominations in history then in the realm of public opinion you are inevitably going to be judged against that history. Thats a simple fact of life, doesn't matter if its fair or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,136 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I just don't understand at all the complaint about having so many nominations. Like, what nominations should it not have gotten?

    A lot of nominations isn't necessarily a sign it's a better film than another with fewer, just that a lot of the mechanics of physically putting the movie together required really good work across an unusually wide range of fields. It's rooted in music, with an excellent score and sound design that are intrinsically important to the movie. So it gets those noms. It's a period piece with a very specific look, which it achieves very well, so gets hair and makeup, and costuming noms. Something like Sentimental Value by contrast is a contemporary low key dramatic movie grounded in realism, without any outlandish outfits, or intense score, so naturally it doesn't get nominated in those categories (and nor should it), but that doesn't mean or imply it's any worse a movie.

    Sinners took on a huge challenge by telling a story that needed a lot of technical moving pieces, and had excellent crew bringing each of those elements to life. I think it deserves nigh on all the noms it got. That doesn't mean it deserves to win them all - it doesn't. I expect it'll get 4. Michael B, Casting, Score, and Original Screenplay.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,136 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Got the total of 4 right at least - though had casting and cinematography backwards, I expected One Battle to get cinematography, and Sinners to get casting. Not much in it on the two categories either way I'd say though.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 TyeTO


    It look a bit to get into but the stand outs were Delroy and Jack , good to see horror again in award contention and winning

    Jordan and Ryan have struck gold as collaboraters and for Jordan from All my Children and Friday Night Lights to now oscar winner



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,674 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    A vampire movie narrowly lost out to a demon hunter movie for best original song.

    Not something you expect to say in regards to Oscars.



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