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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭Knowall1


    The Virgin panel putting the blame where it lies. Not on individual players but on Nienabar....he has destroyed the ball handling skills of the Leinster and Ireland players . Players too flat because the don't trust themselves to catch a ball running at pace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭thamus doku


    keeping certain players on central contracts , when does players are not performing that much better then does not on central contracts, will damage the game a lot more then picking foreign based players.
    Irish rugby is on the verge of going back to the bad old days - I know you and others might not believe this and that’s fine.
    But we are much closer to wales then France or England , and if that does not worry the IRFU then they will pay the price for that eventually



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,434 ✭✭✭OldRio


    'They would be others interested I'm sure? Tell me this long list of coaches who are available now. Please enlighten me.

    So OGaras discipline is no worse than a coach you can not name. And you think that's good? You think that's a good benchmark?

    I'm not kidding anyone. We are discussing your absurd scenario of sacking Farrell after the 6 nations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Farrell rightly has a huge amount of goodwill stored up. He won't be going anywhere based on this 6N.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,409 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    It’s a fickle job coaching Ireland. Everyone wants experimentation and new players getting runs. The minute you lose a couple of games they’re calling for your head.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,798 ✭✭✭50HX


    Far larger pool of head coaches to select from post RWC.

    Not forgetting the irfu will tend to promote from within if at all possible.

    Robertson has a blot on his CV after the NZ departure & the vast majority of other coaches are in contract.

    One result v France & the calls are starting to move Farrell on...bizarre considering there wasn't one word of him being shifted on pre 8pm Thurd night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,434 ✭✭✭OldRio




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    This is nonsense. Neinabar hasnt destroyed any players skills. there was a change in focus in how leinster structured theur player but if the players skills arent as good now thats not on a change in coach but on them

    Ireland are in no way on the verge of the bad days. I grew up in the 90s in dublin. went to the Internationals. i remember those days of going to interpros in Donnybrook in front of 100 people. remember being in schoolboy terrace in lansdowne watching us get beat again and again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,409 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Interesting to hear ROG commentating on BBC today and he was on ITV’s coverage of the Ireland France game. He’s a man in demand off the pitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭JeanRasczak


    In the last 10 years in the All Ireland football we have had winners from Ulster, Leinster and Munster. During that time both mayo and Galways got to the final

    Go back over the last 20 years and its a similar story

    Ireland has talent young players all over and has nothing to do with Private schools. Its the job of the provinces to identify that talent and attract them to rugby. The chance of a professional contracts with all the bells and whistles that go with that should be getting more players from GAA which is not professional.

    A person in any county in ireland can reach the top of the rugby World professional game while living at home or close to home in all of the provinces. Which other sport in Ireland can offer the same?

    But IMO the easy option is to make excuses and wait for players to come from leinster. Devine in Connacht is an example of a very talented rugby player from Connacht who has had to leave and go to another province because they went and signed a Leinster player to replace him. That is not a system working for the young player from Connacht is it?

    Yes the production has increased in the provinces but the new IRFU model of moving more and more players out of leinster is going to help them how? how many are going to have to leave their home province or leave rugby altogether because the spot they are fighting all of their life to get to is filled by a young player from Leinster

    For Ireland to grow as a rugby nation, all of the four provinces need to have a production pipeline and not spend the entire time talking about the Leinster system which has absolutely nothing to do with them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    He’s a good pundit - I like having him in commentary, always feel you learn a bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭big-al


    Goodman has serious questions to answer, more than a defence coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭JeanRasczak


    I have never heard before in my life a coach at a province, not even a head coach, is getting the blame for the performance of a country

    It's absolutely nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,070 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    If the team isn't doing skills training regularly, that's absolutely on the coaches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    There’s plenty of quality in the squad. When the players are walking into contact and look like such a rabble in defence then that’s on the coaches…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭JeanRasczak




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There is quality in the squad and there is significant issues with the attitude and tactics.

    However, we also have a dearth of talent in the back 3, at halfback and midfield has been a bit of a desert beyond the frontline guys for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    It’s one poster to be fair.

    I was certainly in the camp of wanting more experimentation, but I’m definitely not calling for Farrell’s head, and don’t expect any change this side of the RWC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    A player I always thought could hit 100 caps, but sadly that doesn’t look likely now.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,478 ✭✭✭fitz


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 392 ✭✭MeisterG


    I think in Ireland we are so unused to having pace in our back three - that we search for "football talent" in lieu of athletic ability. That focus has gone in the main by our rivals and we need to fast-track (not intended) the quicker players and accept they wont all be distributors or kickers…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,070 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I dunno what they're doing in training tbh. The passing skills are lacking. The defense is ****, the attack ****. If there's a plan, it's not evident.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    Any issues we have in personal totally pale in comparison to the issues surrounding attitude and tactics. This is fast approaching 2019 level of bad, where we just look like we are going through the motions every game.


    If we get no response from these players after the that performance then that will tell us all we need to know about the attitude of the players…the words Andy Farrell used to describe the players attitude, if the players are worth their salt they should be doing their best to prove Farrell wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    TOB and Stockdale in our b3 is plenty of pace, if we are losing collisions then it doesn’t matter how much pace we have as we won’t create the space needed to utilise that pace, Leinster have the exact same issue atm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    2019 was a transition phase and look what came after, keep the faith , trust the system, the stars of the future are the same guys getting crucified today on Boards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭ersatz


    No-one is getting crucified. Ireland got schooled by France in a game where the set piece performed pretty well. Skills, execution, game plan and ability to adjust dynamically are absent. So leadership and coaching problems get discussed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭big-al


    injures was always his biggest obstacle. Still got 85 caps.


    was basically in the 1st team since Autumn 2012 until autumn 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,070 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    notably, it took 2+ years for the seeds to bear fruit. You know, right about at this stage of the WC cycle. Farrell seems to have failed to reboot the squad and I don't see any evidence of a system that's going to suddenly click.

    Think we're looking at another poor end to a coaching regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,414 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    We're missing Mike Catt aren't we?

    I can see a day in the not so distant future where Mark Sexton is in the coaching set up. He has been totally transformative for Ulster's attack play this season.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    That's a fair comment. Henderson was terrific in his pomp and unfortunately disappeared, or so it seemed, with little fanfare.

    Unfortunately for him he was still being picked at international level when he was well past his standards. Kind of what Farrell can do, past form = trust. Like Ringrose, Aki and Henshaw.

    Mind you, we're goosed for a natural 13 and on recent evidence he was right to continue with Johnny Sexton as long as he did.



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