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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,592 ✭✭✭OldRio


    So you are hoping OGara or McCall will take the job. 2 coaches. Just 2 who might be open to have a go. A bit limited isn't it? Do you see your problem?

    Thats without going down the discipline of OGara which might be problematic to the IRFU. Spending limitless cash with dodgy contracts might be a problem re McCall for the IRFU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    McCarthy is a test Lions lock at 24, he’s clearly a better player than the others were at that age.

    You’ve still got the likes of Edogbo and Izuchukwu in the squad who look really good, of course the age old question is will we actually play them or will we just continue to leave them out and then whinge when we “don’t have the players” etc?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Ireland Head Coach succession plan is already in place with SE. Whether that proves to be an inspired plan remains to be seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭thamus doku


    professional sports with salary caps Is full of dodgy contracts, always was. And it was the owner of Saracens who chose that route.
    Ogara’s discipline is fine compared to the South African head coach.

    They would be others interested I am sure. Let’s not kid ourselves, Farrell and his coaching ticket and his core of main players have been very poor for 15 months. Changing them today would make no real difference.

    Ireland lost to France and were missing supposedly some of their main players, they also hammered us last year so what real difference did it make to them being missing this year.
    zero.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Ref in coaching box doesnt put any pressure on the match ref. The comparison to 90s is helpful. Our best period in history came when we had brought all these players home and got our structures right. allowing an exodus and players out of IRFU control doesnt look like helping Ireland improve. any players whove left werent in vast vast majority of cases werent better than the players who stayed. allowing players play for ireland from playing for english/french clubs isnt going to help us in short/medium/long term



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,906 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I struggle to see how picking foreign based players will help anything when the larger issue appears to be a distinct lack of quality among the players we have. Ignoring the larger impacts of the irrepreble damage it would do to the game overall. Its a nonsense idea.

    Short of going 0-5 Farrell is here till the world cup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭Knowall1


    The Virgin panel putting the blame where it lies. Not on individual players but on Nienabar....he has destroyed the ball handling skills of the Leinster and Ireland players . Players too flat because the don't trust themselves to catch a ball running at pace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭thamus doku


    keeping certain players on central contracts , when does players are not performing that much better then does not on central contracts, will damage the game a lot more then picking foreign based players.
    Irish rugby is on the verge of going back to the bad old days - I know you and others might not believe this and that’s fine.
    But we are much closer to wales then France or England , and if that does not worry the IRFU then they will pay the price for that eventually



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,592 ✭✭✭OldRio


    'They would be others interested I'm sure? Tell me this long list of coaches who are available now. Please enlighten me.

    So OGaras discipline is no worse than a coach you can not name. And you think that's good? You think that's a good benchmark?

    I'm not kidding anyone. We are discussing your absurd scenario of sacking Farrell after the 6 nations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Farrell rightly has a huge amount of goodwill stored up. He won't be going anywhere based on this 6N.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    It’s a fickle job coaching Ireland. Everyone wants experimentation and new players getting runs. The minute you lose a couple of games they’re calling for your head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭50HX


    Far larger pool of head coaches to select from post RWC.

    Not forgetting the irfu will tend to promote from within if at all possible.

    Robertson has a blot on his CV after the NZ departure & the vast majority of other coaches are in contract.

    One result v France & the calls are starting to move Farrell on...bizarre considering there wasn't one word of him being shifted on pre 8pm Thurd night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,592 ✭✭✭OldRio




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    This is nonsense. Neinabar hasnt destroyed any players skills. there was a change in focus in how leinster structured theur player but if the players skills arent as good now thats not on a change in coach but on them

    Ireland are in no way on the verge of the bad days. I grew up in the 90s in dublin. went to the Internationals. i remember those days of going to interpros in Donnybrook in front of 100 people. remember being in schoolboy terrace in lansdowne watching us get beat again and again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Interesting to hear ROG commentating on BBC today and he was on ITV’s coverage of the Ireland France game. He’s a man in demand off the pitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭JeanRasczak


    In the last 10 years in the All Ireland football we have had winners from Ulster, Leinster and Munster. During that time both mayo and Galways got to the final

    Go back over the last 20 years and its a similar story

    Ireland has talent young players all over and has nothing to do with Private schools. Its the job of the provinces to identify that talent and attract them to rugby. The chance of a professional contracts with all the bells and whistles that go with that should be getting more players from GAA which is not professional.

    A person in any county in ireland can reach the top of the rugby World professional game while living at home or close to home in all of the provinces. Which other sport in Ireland can offer the same?

    But IMO the easy option is to make excuses and wait for players to come from leinster. Devine in Connacht is an example of a very talented rugby player from Connacht who has had to leave and go to another province because they went and signed a Leinster player to replace him. That is not a system working for the young player from Connacht is it?

    Yes the production has increased in the provinces but the new IRFU model of moving more and more players out of leinster is going to help them how? how many are going to have to leave their home province or leave rugby altogether because the spot they are fighting all of their life to get to is filled by a young player from Leinster

    For Ireland to grow as a rugby nation, all of the four provinces need to have a production pipeline and not spend the entire time talking about the Leinster system which has absolutely nothing to do with them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    He’s a good pundit - I like having him in commentary, always feel you learn a bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭big-al


    Goodman has serious questions to answer, more than a defence coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭JeanRasczak


    I have never heard before in my life a coach at a province, not even a head coach, is getting the blame for the performance of a country

    It's absolutely nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,673 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    If the team isn't doing skills training regularly, that's absolutely on the coaches.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    There’s plenty of quality in the squad. When the players are walking into contact and look like such a rabble in defence then that’s on the coaches…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭JeanRasczak




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,906 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There is quality in the squad and there is significant issues with the attitude and tactics.

    However, we also have a dearth of talent in the back 3, at halfback and midfield has been a bit of a desert beyond the frontline guys for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,017 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    It’s one poster to be fair.

    I was certainly in the camp of wanting more experimentation, but I’m definitely not calling for Farrell’s head, and don’t expect any change this side of the RWC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,017 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    A player I always thought could hit 100 caps, but sadly that doesn’t look likely now.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,576 ✭✭✭fitz


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭MeisterG


    I think in Ireland we are so unused to having pace in our back three - that we search for "football talent" in lieu of athletic ability. That focus has gone in the main by our rivals and we need to fast-track (not intended) the quicker players and accept they wont all be distributors or kickers…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,673 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I dunno what they're doing in training tbh. The passing skills are lacking. The defense is ****, the attack ****. If there's a plan, it's not evident.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    Any issues we have in personal totally pale in comparison to the issues surrounding attitude and tactics. This is fast approaching 2019 level of bad, where we just look like we are going through the motions every game.


    If we get no response from these players after the that performance then that will tell us all we need to know about the attitude of the players…the words Andy Farrell used to describe the players attitude, if the players are worth their salt they should be doing their best to prove Farrell wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    TOB and Stockdale in our b3 is plenty of pace, if we are losing collisions then it doesn’t matter how much pace we have as we won’t create the space needed to utilise that pace, Leinster have the exact same issue atm.



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