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Clampdown on TV 'Dodgy Boxes'

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I'll put the question again. Why is it an "extremely difficult problem" for crawlers to work with multiple languages. Neither the poster who made the claim nor myself mentioned English or any other language.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Do you think that all of these websites use English and ASCII characters? What happens with languages like those used in China, India and elsewhere that have different character sets and represent words with characters rather than English letters? Your pals in MUSO claim to have coverage of 192 countries.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,524 ✭✭✭Homer


    anybody who has a decent supplier will have support available, usually on the likes of telegram etc for obvious privacy reasons. Mine reports very frequently on any issues that are being experienced and is very proactive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,524 ✭✭✭Homer


    anybody who has a decent supplier will have support available, usually on the likes of telegram etc for obvious privacy reasons. Mine reports very frequently on any issues that are being experienced and is very proactive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭longrunn


    I see a lot of references of "free" when discussing IPTV. It's not free, consumers pay for a sub. Sure, pretty much anything on IPTV can be found for free somewhere by searching dodgy sites, etc. But most (vast majority of) consumers of pirate IPTV do actually pay. What this proves, is that consumers don't just want "free", they want something that's easily accessible and reasonably priced. Just like Spotify killed p2p music piracy, because it makes music accessible and affordable and proves that consumers are willing to pay for the service, the only way that the TV/movie broadcasters and streaming services are really going to kill pirate IPTV is by giving consumers an easily accessible service that is reasonably priced. Yes that will require a complete restructuring of their business models, but either they move with the times or die, just like Xtravision.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Who does the money that they actually pay go to?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,126 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The analysis in the post was good, and has been well rehearsed here. And very often in the Mainstream Media articles, bemoaning the cost of the different services which people want to have. The other part of the business model, people are paying criminals to get it cheap is not as often explained.

    The perfect solution was put forward on this thread a while ago. Why don't Sky, Netfix and the rest get together and provide a single package with all the stuff that the pirates are offering. And give it to the public at a price which will put the pirates out of business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭longrunn


    Your question in no way invalidates any of my points. If the media producers and broadcasters want the revenue instead of the pirates getting the revenue, then they need to give the consumers what they want. It's called market demand, and the execs in the producers and broadcasters should have a solid understanding of market demand from when they did their MBAs. If they choose to ignore that basic concept of running a business, that's on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It is two different business models. One has to spend money and employ people to make the product and distribute it. The other one steals the product, and resells it cheap.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭longrunn


    You could have said the same with music producers and labels at the time of napster/limewire/kazaa/etc. Yet, Spotify made it work. For TV and film media, it will take a fundamental shift in the business model of the producers and broadcasters, but as I said before they either adapt or die.

    If they die, then based on the fact there is a market demand then a new disruptor will take their place. Sure, it will look different to the current landscape, however, I'm willing to bet that new landscape defined by the disruptor will be better for the consumer.

    Will there be knock on effects? Sure, Sky might not be able to pay the exorbitant fees for EPL rights, as an example. Clubs might have to pay the players a bit less. But from a consumer perspective, that's fine. I don't think there's many lads who are struggling to pay bills and put good food on the table for their family really want to donate a portion of their wages to a footballer getting paid £300k per week anyway.

    At the end of the day, the current situation with dodgy boxes is a reflection of the market right now, and no matter how hard the broadcasters try to fight to retain the current market landscape, they will fail. Adapt or die.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭SteM


    Here we go, the Spotify argument again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭longrunn


    A core part of business leadership is to study the past successes and failures of others. Spotify is a great example of success, compared to Xtravision. I don't see why it shouldn't be mentioned frequently in the context of this discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,575 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    The spotify approach worked because enough people switched that the existing models (CDs, etc) stopped earning money and the record companies were able to make enough using spotify as a new means of revenue.

    This doesn't strike me as a solution for TV/movies, as the price point for such a combined service would be way higher than what dodgy boxes are that it wouldn't make sense for end users. The companies have no real incentive to move, they are making enough money with their current solutions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    Those who are interested in an actual box that is used and apps etc, instead of moaning like a herd of politicians about the “other side” might find my post interesting.

    Using Tivi App now on my newly acquired Xiaomi Gen 3 with Nord VPN and it’s purring along like a well oiled Karen.

    US apps such as Peacock & UK with BBC, ITV X , C5 & C4 again is perfect on it.

    Downloader & Aptoide working with zero issues that Amazon’s are apparently having.

    Genuinely a very fast, super friendly machine that I bought via Amazon for less that €70.

    Roll on the weekend

    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,934 ✭✭✭irishgeo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,934 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Exactly. If the pirates had to produce some content it would be as cheap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭jmcc


    One of the biggest problems is the rights issue. It has been a problem for decades and went unaddressed because the rights holders were able to sell the rights in multiple jurisdictions or regions. There was no distribution system available across all regions. That meant that any piracy was, in effect localised. When satellite TV emerged in the 1980s and 1990s, that isolation of markets that benefited the rights holders still existed. For some one out of a region to access the programming would have required a dedicated decoder or settop box. That kept the piracy levels low. Things changed in the late 1990s and early 2000s with the advent of broadband. That enabled the second generation of dodgyboxes. The other major change was the dodgybox services becoming device independent. That means that the user didn't require a decoder for each service. The Internet effectively replaced Satellite as the means of distribution. Once broadband became widespread, the business model of Sky et al was in trouble. It ended up playing catch-up to early adopters like Netflix.

    There would have been no Spotify without Napster because Napster changed the music industry forever. The rights holders still haven't sorted out their business model.The idea that people will pay a resonable sum for a service does not take into consideration the reality of how rights are licenced.

    There was also a similar evolution in technology with the music industry that benefited Spotify.With devices like the Apple iPhone, iTunes, and smartphones (from 2006 or so), mobile phones and devices changed how people listened to music. Again, the Internet was at the hear of how music was distributed. Until the rights holder problem is solved, dodgyboxes will continue to be popular.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,831 ✭✭✭jj880


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    When it all settles down can we expect a Spotify legal equivalent in the TV market? A single service with all the content that anyone could ever want. Being added to all the time. And all for the price that a good pirate is charging now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,831 ✭✭✭jj880


    Explanation should be good. Maybe a Chinese android box hijacked his account.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,615 ✭✭✭Dr Robert




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    The box is 70. The additions to it have nothing to do with the box.

    Head off there and have a smoke and cheer yourself up.

    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,575 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Is there a chance they were supposed to be replying to a different comment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Too many rights holders making too much money. The current highly fragmented situation suits them. If you want to see a microcosm of it, look at the way that channels are grouped for various tiers in Pay TV. As stand-alone channels, many of them would not be commercially viable. As part of a package or tier, their chances are better. The main targets seem to be the movies, series and sports. The rights for all of those are licecned on a regional or market basis. Even Netflix and other streaming services have to deal with this issue.

    Post edited by jmcc on

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,846 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Tivi is a gem of an app, I don't think even any of the systems broadcasters use hold a candle to it for it's ease of use and slickness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,846 ✭✭✭sonofenoch




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