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Field Drainage boiling up

  • 01-05-2024 08:54AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭


    Hi have noticed that some of my fields that are have a drainage system in place are boiling up and when I checked the ends of the pipes there is no water coming out of the land drainage shores. Any seem this before would the land be just sealed and need to be mole drained or is my drainage system need to be redone? was only drained in the last 20years. Would be heavy land but when the weather dries it would dry out fast but when putting out the fertilizer it hadn't dried like the rest of the land. Still too wet to even roll it to level it out

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    this is not a great picture but the water is lying in areas that I know there is drainage pipes. This is in my silage ground so its very frustrating.

    Anyone seen something similar?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Katie 2018


    Same issue myself this year.on heavy ground.got very hard not to mark the ground when travelling over a large drain in silage ground.is it just a case so much rain has fallen an it taking long time to soak



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭limo_100


    It probably is a factor but I would this was happening for me the last few years just its very bad this year and I think I would like to get it sorted or at least get a path forward



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer


    You'll never be finished tending to wet ground. I'll be draining some ground for the third time this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Same here with some shores and moledrains done last summer, they very wet. Maybe land has sealed itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Mole plough when they weather is better could be a simple option



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭limo_100


    yeah that's what I was thinking when the silage is taken off it If the shores started running again it would probably be a benefit to also plough it and loosen up the soil?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭RockOrBog


    Is it hilly land , maybe there are springs in it. I drained 8 acres in 2021 and it turned out well except for one corner where there was a well that was filled in, there are springs there and it's still wet.

    Ill have another go at it in June



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,289 ✭✭✭older by the day


    I always check the mouths of the drain first, and bring 3/4 inch black water pipe and give it a good Roding. Those yellow plastic pipes get blocked with roots In black ground. Most you would free, the odd one might need investigating. It usually where there's a V or a joiner, or where some lad was short a V or a joiner



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,318 ✭✭✭Good loser


    Those rushes are from last year or the year before so the problem is not new. Has been exceptionally wet this year so not surprising it's taking longer to dry out.

    Keep a close eye on it and it would be worth sticking a 3/4" alkathene pipe up the outlets to rod them though I doubt that would fix the matter. In some parts of the country (not here) the drains can be scoured out by propelling a nozzle with hose attached mechanically up the drains - presumably as far as the first junction. 80 mm pipes should be easier to make headway on than 50/60 mm. Worth consideration?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,404 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I'd the same a couple of years back. Ground very wet in a section with water bubbling up. Got a digger in and the drains underneath were blocked. Fixed that and all working since. However, area absolutely covered in rushes since



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭limo_100


    What had the pipes blocked? there's no roots near any of my pipes was it just silt? probably better using 4inch pipe for drains anymore with a bed of stone under the pipe first



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Thegingerbear


    Have you spread slurry in that field? If so, then the drains are probably blocked. If you lay land drains they need to be wrapped in terram or some type of geotextile material and that will allow the water through but not any fine grained materials (soil/slurry etc) and that should ensure no blockages. Also use 150mm diameter pipes and if possible fit access points every 80m in case there are blockages at a later date. These measures are costly but long term it's worth it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,404 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Dirt and shite. No roots near it. Was out well into the field. When it was relieved there was a lot of orange water came out. I'm told that's iron



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,556 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Probably need to use sand stone, as limestone reacts with iron



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Lads I've got a field that has a road draining off into it. There is a sheugh parallel to the road behind the fence where it goes into. Wouldn't be much or any of a flow in it and probably needs to be cleaned out.

    Where the road water drains into the field there is an open sheugh that collects this water and brings it down the field to where it enters a covered drain of some type - it's bought ground so can't tell yet if it is piped or a stone drain down to the river. The water pools where the sheugh meets this covered drain. What I'd like to do is to cover the sheugh and pipe it fully down to the river.

    My question is what is the best way to get the road water into a pipe with minimal silt or any other material that would block it. In an ideal world Road Service would install a gully with silt trap and give me the the piped outlet from it. However, I don't think they'd have the will to do this and would probably just cut a trench in the verge to run it into my land and alleviate the surface flooding during heavy rain.

    As a minimum I'll have to clean out the sheugh and create some type of sump where it meets the closed drain.

    Any thoughts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,289 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Go away and find the pipe taking it from the field to the river first, because if it's too small or half blocked, you should start your job there.

    You could always sink a barrel in where the road water is coming and clean in out the odd time. But if you use a big enough quarry pipe, gravel and silt should run along, if you leave enough fall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    That pipe will be sorted one way or another as part of the overall job.

    I'm just looking for ways folk have got water from ditches into dragon periods without clicking them with silt.

    Its relatively flat ground so there wouldn't be a great fall in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Checking in on this again. Looks like auto-correct went rogue in my previous reply - I think it should have said:

    I'm just looking for ways folk have got water from ditches into closed drains without filling them with silt.

    From what I've read Road Service won't install a road gulley unless it can be argued from a safety perspective. I've dropped a barrel at another location for a lift pump, but it silted over rock solid in no time.

    Is there a way to funnel an open drain into a piped drain? I could dig out a large sump, but I'd expect it to silt up over time. I would like to avoid opening up the piped drain as it would limit the field to grazing only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 175 ✭✭Belongamick


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    As an example, I had this fairly deep puddle on a minor road adjacent to a field. Got on to local Councillor and in turn council who installed a black JFC style pipe covered in pea gravel and a grill/sump to divert water into a field drain. Clean gravel and an outlet is very important and I'm not sure did they use teram to filter any silt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭148multi


    Yes a sump before the pipe but you'll have to clean it every couple of years



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Same scenario here. I'd like to get it piped from the road down to the river, doubt that will be granted. They is a big fuss about potholes up here at the minute.

    Could possibly try them for gulley, they can only say no...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    That would be a pain. Can't think of anything else though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭148multi


    As an alternative you could put a manhole along your pipe every 200m, you could then run a jetter nozzle to clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭The Continental Op


    If the OP has a problem with iron there is nothing that will fix it other than rodding the drains out regularly. Make it easier by putting in some form of man hole(s) near to where the problem is worst.

    I worked on land with the issue for 10 years and in one location we had a land drain fed water trough that we needed to regularly shovel out the iron ochre that if left would set like orange jelly.

    This covers the subject well https://www.canr.msu.edu/drainage/conventional-drainage/drainage-under-performance/iron-oche-clogging

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Put 6 or 9 inch pipe at least if dealing with excessive iron.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭148multi


    Years ago went draining and fencing a plot of land, installed 4" and one 6" waste pipe under the new fence line where new shores were going to be installed during the summer, after 3 moths there was over an inch of iron glue in the pipes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭farmer2018


    Issues here with land drainage, iron ore and springs causing problems blocking pipes. Frequent rodding the solution?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭148multi


    PPower hose with jet nozzle, it's some gunk to shift



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Used to have to yearly rod drains with iron ochre. Be very carful if they are old drains pressure jetting can **** them up completely. Basically the jet can cut find gaps and cut through the soil and disappear off in another direction. If there are juctions in old drains the jet can just go through the pipe. New plastic drains would be fine.

    If there is water nearby and not much flow on the drain then a hose on the end of the drain rods can help flush it all out a bit quicker.

    btw don't be wearing your Sunday Best :-)

    Wake me up when it's all over.



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