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EV Charging with no driveway

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    The trough idea is fine if you can get permission to cut into the pathway. We have seen on here many a time where EV owners or those wanting to go EV are ignored or refused by the OMC to install a charge point solution, be it pedestal, or gutter. The council are no better.

    It's worth a try of course. Here are a couple of examples.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Some nice installations there, once you can park your car where you want to it would work well. And permissions of course as you stated.

    With OMCs once the board realise their house value could increase with EV charging capabilities some solutions will materialise



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭berrecka


    Thanks everyone for the suggestions and input. I think we have come to the same conclusion as most here, and having visited a few garages over the weekend, have decided that we are not in a position to go for an EV just yet. Hopefully down the road between community chargers and other safe kerbside personal solutions and improved network, as well as hopefully a drop in price of the things in general, our next car may well be a full electric. We will invest in a 2nd hand self charge hybrid for now. If it lasts as long as our last car did, we will probably be on hoverboards for the next purchase!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I'd be with Ghost on this one. Although you would be possibly liable in case anyone tried to make a claim against you, the key point for me is that you said you live in a quiet cul de sac. You probably know nearly everyone passing by your house. Have a word with your downstream neighbours and discuss whatever solution you planned with them in advance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    And yet shops and companies and offices have things like power-washing services and drain cleaners and similar, all the time, and manage perfectly well for the couple of hours they're in use with cable runners and hose covers and even just cones, without people tripping or suing. (Source: I work in a city.)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,761 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Always easier to ask forgiveness than permission too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Steveraf


    Is it constantly busy? Say 8am Sunday morning for example? Tesla really need to step up and have at least one more station in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 jo101


    Hi apologies for bringing up an old thread but it seemed the best way to raise the issue.

    I have an Ev for a few years and looking at moving house and possibly losing offstreet parking. Has there been any movement on how to solve this issue? I have looked but can’t see anything on local councils and SEAI websites.
    And has any one used the Charge Arm solution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Depends on your location really, end of a quiet road in private estate with no foot traffic I'd come up with a little solution that bothers nobody, middle of a busy road with loads of passers and maybe a struggle to get right spot outside your house it will be very tricky.

    So depends on your circumstances



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Forgot about it until you live somewhere with private car parking or find some way to convert your front garden or whatever to a parking space.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    You've replied to the OP from 2024. Thread was dug up by someone with a new question today and they already have an EV.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,205 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    It's not a great idea. We have 2 EV's and no driveway. Wife charges at work but even then there's no guarantee there's a free spot.

    I have no other way than relying on public charging which is relatively expensive (depending on where you charge).

    Plus depending on where you are buying, you might not be guaranteed to get a park outside your house.

    Our next door neighbours house is for sale almost a year now and nobody has shown much interest. Wife spoke to the estate agent a couple of weeks ago. She said the lack of driveway has turned off every single viewer. Viewings are down to almost zero and she's not confident of a sale at all.

    I warned my wife when she bought our house that to buy without a driveway was madmess. She has slowly realised I was right but being a woman she has doubled down on her decision 😂.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Didn’t notice how old the thread was but the response would be no different. No driveway = No EV for most unless you’ve long term free charging at work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Are you sure the response would be the same? The OP was considering an EV. The person who dug up the thread already has one, but is moving house and may lose off street parking. To me, these are different problems. They either have to find a way to charge at the new house, use public charging, or sell their EV….the latter being an issue the OP didn’t have.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Result is EV for sale. Public charging is more expensive than buying diesel. Simple



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    That may be the unfortunate reality. We are miles behind our neighbours on this.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,502 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Cost of fuelling is far from the only reason one might switch to an EV, may not even be the dominant issue.

    The hassle factor likely to press harder than the cost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    Our next door neighbours house is for sale almost a year now and nobody has shown much interest. Wife spoke to the estate agent a couple of weeks ago. She said the lack of driveway has turned off every single viewer. Viewings are down to almost zero and she's not confident of a sale at all.

    Just curious. Is it the lack of an actual driveway or the lack of an assigned parking place close to the house?

    I've seen new build houses recently that don't have driveways but have assigned parking and are wired for ev charging

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    That's why I recently got rid of my BEV. I could live with the price of public charging but the hassle of trying to get my car charged every week ruined the car for me.

    If you can't charge at home or work you can't run a BEV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭kipple


    Government has published the Private Wires Bill 2025 (Amendments to Electricity Regulation Act 1999)

    https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-climate-energy-and-the-environment/press-releases/government-approves-the-drafting-of-the-private-wires-bill-2026/

    As per the approved Private Wires Policy Statement in July 2025, this bill will allow for private wires to be built in 4 limited circumstances:

    • To permit a private wire linking a single user of electricity to a separate singular generation asset. This connection may also include storage technologies.
    • To facilitate hybrid grid connections
    • To allow on-street charging solutions for Electric Vehicles
    • To allow a customer that self-supplies electricity to provide electricity to a separate customer in a contiguous premises


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭evftw




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭zg3409


    In terms of charge arm in Dublin the council asked owners to remove them. There were some already installed. The cables pass over the footpath when in use, but the main risk is done kid swinging off the arm and trying to sue the home owner and or council. The home owners house insurance may or may not cover it. They don't seem that strong and are relatively expensive for a fancy bit of piping.

    The new laws may help but I think it's more for commercial providers to roll out multiple on street chargers without the need to have an esb meter for every pillar, and they are now allowed to run their own power cable from one to the next, while up to now ESB networks had to run any power cables under public foothpaths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,205 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    No driveway, no chance of being allowed a driveway and no assigned parking on the road. Road is public parking and is busy every day with locals and people who need/want to park there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Hopefully this private wires section will spur councils 😂😂 or ZEVI to pivot towards AC charging. It was silly to effectively abandon it.

    I saw a charge arm recently. Big ugly yoke in an area of pretty houses. This house is extremely close to a smaller side street with a large section of no houses and parking is allowed. I see this across Georgian and Victorian neighbourhoods. These spare spaces are perfect for public AC but nothing being done.

    One communal place in Galway at a good price. Could be done in hundreds of neighbourhoods all over the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    While that legislation above appears hopeful, I’m not sure if we’re going to see 30 different sets of pedestrian roadworks on a row of 30 houses with no onstreet parking any time soon - and could you imagine the prices that will be charged?

    Then you’ve got apartments with similar challenges. I’m not sure what this means long term but it certainly means the value of decent ICE cars, especially family cars, will remain strong. There’s 1000s of people out there who could afford and indeed want a brand new EV but their accommodation arrangements won’t allow for it so are stuck with aging ICE cars. It’s a problem that won’t go away - it’s certainly something that could take off from a govt lobbying perspective- I’m surprised it hasn’t been shouted about more loudly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    In 2024, the share of renewable energy in Ireland's transport sector (RES-T) was 8.6%, up from 7.6% in 2023. The 2030 target for transport is 29%

    https://www.seai.ie/about/irelands-energy-targets

    I saw on the other thread that BEV sales as a percentage rose from 18% to 21% in 2026 compared to Jan 25. Renewables as a percentage of our electricity generation has flatlined around the 40% mark for the past 3 years.

    Offshore wind won't arrive until mid 2030s and the only commercial solar farms that will be delivered by 2030 are those already in the pipeline. The 700MW Celtic interconnector is the main brightness on the horizon.

    So incentivising purchase and operation of new BEVs and residential solar are the only tools available to our government to minimise big fines.

    I hope the private wire bill enables residents to realise their own charging solutions rather than it being in the control of commercial operators who we've seen from experience will not deliver charging at a price point that encourages care owners to switch from ICE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Indeed- in fact the commercially available charge points are acting as a disincentive if anything for people to go the EV route. They are actually more expensive for me than filling up a tank of diesel to go the equivalent milage - so I’m glad I’ll have limited annual need to use these pieces of extortion - maybe a claim back from revenue or something could be a shorterm answer for people living in a house where a charger is not possible but of course, the commercial suppliers will invariably then up their prices.
    But in reality, I’m expecting the government to go the tax milage route anyway over the coming years- enjoy your relatively cheap EV running costs while you can as I’d say we’ll be hit with greater car tax and milage taxes in time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 164 ✭✭Phen2206


    Unfortunately for EV owners with no driveway wishing for legislation that will allow private charging outside your house, I have to agree with you on this - the bill seems to be aimed at commercial operators wishing to install on-street chargers.

    From the "Regulatory Impact Analysis for the Private Wires General Scheme" :

    https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-climate-energy-and-the-environment/publications/private-wires-bill-2025-general-scheme-and-regulatory-impact-analysis/

    "The amendments needed for each of the four private wire use cases are:

    ……

    • Use Case 3: Facilitation of on-street charging will require authorisation by relevant local authorities and notification to ESB Networks. Kerbo projects will be required to comply with other regulatory requirements such as application for a road opening licence where a wire is expected to cross a public footpath. Supporting guidance and policy may be developed by local authorities."

    All this talk of road opening licences and notification of ESB networks does not sound like provision for a simple channel in the footpath for you to bury your cable while you charge your car.

    Another problem is that the authorisation has to come from the local authority. For those in Dublin City, the council is decidedly anti-car and believes active travel is the solution to all problems so good luck getting permission for any such infrastructure from them.

    Its better than nothing, but it will still mean not being able to charge your car from your own house unless you've a driveway/your own space. What a missed opportunity. I was a BEV owner with no driveway, but lost my patience after 2 years and went back to petrol. Would go back to electric tomorrow if I could charge outside my house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Another problem is that the authorisation has to come from the local authority. For those in Dublin City, the council is decidedly anti-car and believes active travel is the solution to all problems so good luck getting permission for any such infrastructure from them.

    That's just silly, although 100% believable. If you don't allow people access to home charging using some perfectly safe solutions that we have seen on here and numerous other places it's going to keep them in ICE vehicles. I understand they want active travel to be a priority but these solutions are not incompatible with active travel



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Silly?

    DC charging services more EVs than AC charging it's better bang for buck. It's the low hanging fruit. AC charging it's not abandoned it's just pushed to later.

    Local AC kerbside charging isn't going to be a magic bullet. People won't have exclusive use of these chargers. Same with overhead arms or cables across the foot paths. You can't prevent someone else from parking in the space within reach of the charger.

    When you factor in depreciation and cost of public charging if you use it. The cost difference between running an ICE and a EV isn't so massive. The govt incentives have been reduced. Only in very particular use cases will the EV be significantly cheaper.



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