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The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,459 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    It's crazy to me that they'd fire him, and any head coach coming in is expected pretty much to win straight away



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,144 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,416 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    NFL-related - Osi Umenyiora who was missing from NFL coverage for the past few months has posted and revealed that he was in hospital for a month including being in a coma for 5 days. Sounds scary, and he's noticably lost a good chunk of weight/muscle. Good to see him on the mend though and being able to get back to it.

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTtOnBODPNI/?igsh=eXNhdHY0d2J0OHpn



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,780 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Sad Story…

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2026/01/22/disappearance-of-ex-nfl-star-sam-beal-shines-light-on-the-cost-of-broken-dreams/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭rednik


    Joe Brady promoted to HC at the Bills.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,902 ✭✭✭✭paulie21


    Bill Belichick has not made the HOF. Unbelievable really



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭boccy23


    crazy stuff. HOF and Pro Bowl have disgraced themselves this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭FantasyFool


    Seems crazy- Obviously Spygate and Deflategate related.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,781 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Nothing to do with. 100% Kraft is behind this.

    As said above the Hall of Fame takes the hit over this. It's just become less important.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,459 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Why would Kraft do something like that? Having people in the hall of fame makes him look better, maybe helps them forget about how much he loves getting handies



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,459 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    According to Pats Pulpit: "That decision seemingly was the result of two scandals his Patriots were involved in — Spygate and Deflategate — as well as some lobbying by former Buffalo Bills and Indianapolis Colts general manager Bill Polian, who reportedly “told told some voters he believed Belichick should ‘wait a year’ before induction as penance for Spygate.”"

    I'm not a Patriots fan and I don't on a personal level find belichick likeable but like if he's not a first ballot, with eight super bowl rings and the second most wins all time as a head coach, then nobody is. What's a twat Polian is, and anybody who would go along with such nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,781 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Kraft and Belichick fell out and Kraft lost the support of Patriots fans. He's very bitter over it.

    I'm confident he's behind it and he got Polian to do it.

    Polian is a despicable creature in his own right but I don't think he'd do this without coaxing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,781 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Polian is denying he did it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭Prefab Sprouter


    Whatever the cause, its disgraceful that he isnt up for inclusion this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,091 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Well I do think the HOF is a bit overblown, by inducting x amount of people per year, the greatness criteria becomes a bit diluted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,666 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Well they have new players each year too, so if there's 1500 active players each year, and likely a consistent number retiring each year, and 6-8 of those are getting inducted every year, then on average it's just as hard to get in now as it was 10/20/30 years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    What's happening in Cleveland is almost comically tragic. Their first 4 preferred candidates for the head coaching vacancy all turned down interviews because the owner was insisting they need to keep Jim Schwartz as DC and they couldn't bring their own. Now they've hired Todd Monken, and Schwartz is upset not to have been offered the job himself so is quitting as DC.

    Post edited by el Fenomeno on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,459 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Stupid organization. You cant get a good HC if he's not going to be allowed to pick his own people. He's the one who gets the blame if it goes tits up, he needs to be able to make his own decisions. Not to mention Schwarz strikes me as self absorbed pain in the hole anyway, can imagine a lot of people would rather not work with him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,781 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    In fairness with the way the defense played Schwartz deserved the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 CianDS


    Just like a lot of jobs. A company will say you're too valuable to promote or move up and then get shocked when you then quit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,459 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Maybe but I wouldn't want him to be the head coach of my team, ever. His tenure with the lions was a while ago but it was not a good one. To be he's like Vic fangio, a really strong coordinator but just not temperamentally a good fit for head coaching. If I'm wrong, I'm sure he'll get picked up by another team looking for a head coach, but something tells me that doesn't end up happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭The_Honeybadger


    Not sure there is any great conspiracy on Belichick. Most of the voters are media types, Bill was at times disrespectful of many of them over the years and often acted like media sessions were a waste of his time.

    Then there is spygate, which is being waved away as insignificant. But it’s not insignificant. The Patriots cheated systematically over many years under Belichick and got caught. The evidence was so damning that the NFL destroyed it so that the media and other stakeholders could never see the true extent of it. Of course every team bends the rules in different ways to gain an advantage but no other team was caught so blatantly cheating. This was all under Belichicks direction. “Everyone does it” is not a credible defence in this instance.

    Obviously he was an extraordinary coach and football mind, possibly / probably the best ever. While I think he should get in first ballot I don’t find it that incredible that some voters wanted to make him wait a year. Never underestimate human pettiness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,416 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I think what the crux of the issue becomes is that it's not really up to the HoF selection voters to punish Belichick for Spygate/Deflategate/being a d*ck to them.

    Not downplaying Spygate or Deflategate, but it's up to the NFL to take action against him and the team for that, and they did to some extent. Either way though, Belichick's record still stands. They didn't have SB wins taken off them or marked with a permanent asterisk, and they didn't put measures in place to restrict Belichick's eligibility for the HoF.

    So if the HoF selection voters (individually, not saying there was any collusion or conspiracy) can decide to not vote for him in order to punish him for those things rather than judging him overall (in which case he'd still beat out almost every single other candidate), then that's just not right imo.

    I can get arguments about how he wouldn't have been half as accomplished if not for Brady and the rest of the team and how his record after Brady left reflects that. I don't fully agree with that as that's ultimately every coach ever, but to not vote for him because of Spygate/Deflategate… that just does feel petty and therefore discredits the voting process for the HoF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭The_Honeybadger


    I agree with everything you’re saying. Looks like the voters are making up their own criteria and manipulating the vote. The whole thing needs a review as it’s devaluing the award at this stage.

    A few years ago Peter King didn’t vote for Polamalu because he said that he was probably going to get in anyway, so King used his vote to bring up another candidate. Obviously that is completely unrelated, but this is the kind of nonsense that is going on with the voting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,144 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    They should take a look at a multi-transferrable vote system :_)

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭The_Honeybadger


    Or maybe voters should stick to the criteria set out rather than make up their own



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,781 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    The Patriots didn't cheat over many years. Spygate was ridiculous, other coaches came out and said they were doing it. It was a one time thing in one game against a former Patriots coach.

    Deflategate is the most ridiculous thing ever. It was proven beyond doubt that balls would deflate that much in the weather which they played in.

    But oh no, the 'experts' the NFL hired said it wouldn't happen even though college science departments in multiple universities had proven it would.

    These same experts were hired by cigarette companies to 'prove' that passive smoking was not unhealthy.

    Anyway besides all that, Belichick was never part of the deflategate investigation. The accusations from the NFL stated that Belichick and other members of the coaching staff were not involved in the situation.

    So we've got a one day spygate situation. There was nothing between 2000 and 2005 when the Patriots won three Superbowls and there was nothing between 2014 and 2018 when the Patriots won another 3 Superbowls.

    Anyone with a gripe shouldn't be on the selection committee. Every analyst on American TV is up on arms over this. Lots are saying the Hall of Fame is now a joke. They are demanding that the eleven who didn't vote for Belichick stand up and be counted. The voting is done privately in case you don't know.

    All the voters have cameras and reporters in their faces demanding to know how they voted since the news broke.

    It's quite simple, among coaches Vince Lombardi and Don Shula are the hall of fame, Bill Belichick belongs in that pantheon but as far as the hall of fame is concerned he is not.

    Now a couple of reporters said what I was thinking which is that Kraft is behind this.

    Bill Polian has been calling for Kraft to be in the hall for years but somehow he has a problem with Belichick? Is he a hypocrite or is somebody pressing his buttons? I say the latter and that Kraft is the one doing it.

    This is the most egregious thing to ever happen with the hall of fame voting. Not having Terrell Owens as a first ballot would be next on the list, probably the third greatest receiver of all time. But two things, he never won a Superbowl and was third best. Belichick is the GOAT coach according to everybody, well everybody that's honest about things.

    It's an absolute disgrace and I think these voters need to stand up and own their stupidity or hate or whatever made them not vote for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭The_Honeybadger


    Agree that deflategate is irrelevant. It was blown out of proportion. If however there was no offence then TB did himself no favours by destroying his phone etc. He knew there was an investigation underway and he did it anyway. I get that he may have had personal stuff on there that he didn’t want people to see.

    I don’t believe for a second that Spygate was one isolated incident and I doubt any HOF voter believes that either. We don’t know either way, as any evidence was destroyed.

    Easy answer to all of this, publish the votes. It’s a huge privilege to be a HOF voter, make them own their selections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,781 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Do you know anything about spygate?

    You do know you are allowed tape the signals of opposing coaches? Spygate was about them being taped on the sidelines instead of the designated areas. Goodell decided to make a big deal of it.

    As regards deflategate

    Many experiments showed that the temperature drop can cause a decrease of 1.5 to 2.0 psi.

    The Patriots' footballs were roughly 2 psi under the legal minimum.

    While many studies supported the idea that the weather was cold enough to explain the drop the Wells report concluded there was evidence of intentional manipulation.

    As I said before the people who conducted the Wells report previously found that passive smoking did not cause any health concerns. They also defended a car, the Suzuki Samurai which was deemed unsafe on sharp turns. They said the type of tyres used and bad driving was the cause of the issue. They've been on the airlines side of plane crashes and loads of other stuff.

    Basically they find what you want them to find.

    The companies name is now Exponent inc. I think they changed their name after the Suzuki case.

    As for the game. It was 17-7 at halftime. The balls were pumped up and the final score was 45-7 to the Patriots.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭The_Honeybadger


    Yes I do know. And the Pats breached the rules, repeatedly and knowingly, undoubtedly to gain an advantage. We can argue all day as to the degree of the advantage gained and neither of us can be proved right or wrong, but there is enough of a question mark around the success of that Pats team from the various cheating scandals for it to make a difference in awards like this. Blaming Kraft sabotage for Belichick not getting in first ballot is copium imo.

    I’m not arguing with you about deflategate. It’s a nothing, so I don’t know why you’re giving the big lecture about the science of it. I would imagine that Brady destroying evidence played into the punishment, possibly even more than the supposed wrongdoing itself. It was a foolish thing to do assuming he was innocent.



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