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Kia Niro EV

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,269 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    In fairness there's thousands of out of warranty high mileage BMW's being imported from the UK without issue on 20k mile service intervals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭mr chips


    Just making another note of the range on a long trip in the recent cold spell, as this is close to the worst it gets in this part of the world. On Saturday I had to set off around 8.30am, after a night of temperatures dropping to -3 or -4C. When I got into the car it was still -1, and at 97% SOC it was showing a range of 216 miles (345km). I switched the car on about 15 minutes before heading off to warm up the cabin while it was plugged in, so as to avoid taking any power from the battery for cabin heating. However, I'd forgotten that the previous day, once I was 5 minutes from home I'd pressed the "Heat" button to switch off cabin heating entirely as I was already toasty warm and thought I should preserve as much juice as possible for the following day's drive. I never switched the damn thing back on, which meant the cabin was still freezing cold when it was time to head off and I even had to pour cold water over the glass to de-ice it. 🙄 It also meant the 216 miles of predicted range at 97% was optimistic, as it dropped to 209 as soon as I switched on the heat and whacked up the fan speed. Oh well. Turning the fan speed back down once the cabin was warm did at least nudge the predicted range back up by a couple of miles, so I'll call it 211 miles at 97%.

    Took it very easy at about 45mph/72kmh for about the first 10 miles for fear of hitting a slippery patch, but once I was a bit further along the dual carriageway it was well gritted. So I cruised at about 70mph/112kmh the rest of the way to Belfast, dropped off the other half, then carried on at the same speed to my next two stops in Newry. That involved calling into one place on the north side of town, then crawling through the middle of town to the other - it took longer than planned, so I had to cruise the rest of the way to Drogheda at the full 120kmh to avoid being too late for the next rendezvous. I was able to plug in for a 7kW charge while I was there, which gave me 24 miles of range, then head back to Belfast and charge where I was staying at a friend's place.

    In total I covered 208 miles/333km that day, and when I plugged in to recharge in Belfast there was a predicted 26 miles/42km left. That almost exactly matches the range shown at the start of the day - 211 miles with cabin heat (and seats, and wheel!) on, drove 208, added 24 and was left with 26. 1 mile out! Probably would have been worse if it had been all motorway speeds, but at a guess I did about 10 miles of cautious highway driving and another 7 or 8 of urban driving, so I'm still happy enough. So that means a theoretical full-to-empty motorway range of about 215 miles / 344km in freezing temperatures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭championc


    Wonder how much range increases for every 1mph reduction on the motorway ? Maybe ChatGPT knows



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,732 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    It's mostly the drag, and it's not linear either.

    I have found wet is far worse than cold for reducing range, especially if there's a lot of standing water.

    50mph is often used as the tipping point where the exponential curve starts to kick in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭championc


    I personally don't treat the speed limit as a target. If on a motorway, I rarely drive over 100kmph. I just leave 15 mins earlier !!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭mr chips


    That's fair enough, you do you. I'm just providing real-world feedback for those who don't/can't take the same approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭mr chips


    Right, did my last long range trip for the foreseeable over recent days. As before, I had the heated seats on the whole way, with cabin temp set at 19.5 degrees most of the time.

    Day 1 - left home in the late morning after another night of below-freezing temperatures, with an indicated range at 100% of just 217 miles/347km. Drove 190 miles/304km on the motorway with cruise set at 71mph/113kmh (bar the 60mph bits of the A1 and the 100kmh stretch of the M50), plus about 5 miles/8km of urban driving. Pulled in for a rapid charge with 18 miles/29km remaining, so the GOM was overly optimistic by 4 miles this time. The outside temperature was 5-6 degrees and it finally reached 7 with about half an hour to go. There was heavy rain for the last hour or so of the trip as well, so that probably dragged the efficiency down a bit more. Stayed at the rapid charger until the range had reached 102 miles/163km and then used the granny charger for the overnight top-up.

    Day 2 - left with 188 miles/301km of range, with temps of around 7 degrees including overnight, so no freeze to contend with. Drove exactly 150 miles/240km cruising at 67mph/107kmh for all bar the first and last couple of miles, and arrived with 45 miles/72km left. Charged on CCS while getting lunch until the range had reached 186 miles, which was more than enough for the following day.

    Day 3 - forgot to note it down! But I remember it was a slight improvement on the previous day.

    Day 4 - left with 100% and an indicated range of 223 miles. Cruised at 65 mph for virtually the entire trip, bar the usual restrictions on the M50 and A1. Arrived after covering 187 miles with 48 miles left, once again improving on the range despite wet roads much of the way.

    So it looks like the very worst winter range for this car is 212 miles/340km - that's driving at/close to motorway limits after the car's battery has sat for 12+ hours below freezing. Any colder than that would necessitate lower cruising speeds anyway due to the risk of black ice etc, which would probably mitigate any heavier consumption one might expect colder conditions to cause. Most of the autumn/winter I can still expect about 235 miles/375km of highway driving and from April to September closer to 250/400.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭mr chips


    The Niro passed its MOT the other day with no advisories - in & out in 10 minutes.😎 Apart from washing it, the only thing I had to do beforehand was replace the front tyres, which had to be done anyway, and have the rear brake discs cleaned up - I'd started to hear a bit of grinding at low-speed braking just a few days before the test date. Pads were fine, but there was surface rust on the discs - obviously been using the paddles too much and not using the brake pedal enough!

    It's due its second service in my ownership in a few weeks' time, which will be the pricey one involving a coolant change. Before I bought the car last spring, I was quoted £400 sterling by my nearest Kia dealer for this one, so hopefully it's still that - my friend who bought a Kona last year has just been quoted £500 by a Hyundai dealer in Belfast for the same service, so she's going to check the dealer closer to me for a comparison quote. I've still a year of warranty left on my car, so even if I didn't care about looking after it (which I do, very much!) it's still worth it even just to keep that going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭zg3409


    More if you press the brake pedal lightly it still uses the regeneration and not the brakes. If you stamp on the brake pedal it uses the actual brakes. It's worth hitting the brakes once in a while very hard to clear rust on the brakes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭mr chips


    Cheers, didn't realise that light braking was 100% regen - I assumed it was a combination of both regen and physical brakes. The day after getting the discs cleaned I had a few long drives to do, so I made sure to approach the end of motorway off-slips etc at a higher speed than usual, necessitating harder braking each time. This is very counter-intuitive for me - I've always been a pretty defensive driver, so usually approach junctions & stops as though my brakes were about to fail. But it obviously did the job of keeping the discs clean enough for the inspection.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭keno-daytrader


    On the Kia Niro EV, I press and hold the auto hold button, thats disengages the regen and uses strictly brakes to slow/stop car. The dash will tell you "brake disc cleaning".

    ☀️ 8.2kWp ⚡4kWp south, ⚡4.20kWp west



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭championc


    I personally only ever use the paddle for stopping, but the missus will never use it, so the discs are perfectly shiny 🤩



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,732 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    For @mr chips, it isn't on the car they have.

    It's only on the newer niros (when the body changed(



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭zg3409


    286,000 Miles non runner eNiro

    £2500



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭mr chips


    Had the eNiro serviced yesterday. I thought it was time for the coolant change, but once there I was told it's not actually due until the 90000 mile/155k km service, rather than the 80000 mile one. So all in all, the service involved putting in a new pollen filter, a change of brake fluid, checking for any outstanding recalls (none that I was told about) and checking of tyre pressures, which I knew were already fine. There were also a couple of minor things I requested - some silicone spray on the seatbelts as they'd started to retract more slowly (increasing the risk of a door being slammed on the buckle) plus lubrication of the tailgate struts as the bootlid wasn't quite opening to its full height. Oh, and they washed it. Cost for all that was £245stg, which is pretty steep IMO when the only real piece of work was the brake fluid change. Once it's out of warranty, I'll definitely be bringing it back to my local independent guy, who would charge less than half that amount for the same work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭championc


    I have to say I feel that with EV, the servicing will be moreso reactive than proactive.

    Out of warranty, I'm struggling to see the need for an annual visit to anyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Raoul


    I run the EV servicing is a total rip off.. Especially with Kia. My dealer always charges 5 euro for screen wash refill. I never remember to say I do not want that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭djan


    Our out of warranty eNiro just coming up on a service but has a few strange niggles like rear heated seats, rear demister and wiper not working.

    Does anyone have a reccomendation around the Dublin area for someone to have a look at these bits who has some experience of these? Remember someone mentioning a Kona/Niro specialist..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭championc


    I'd be bringing those issues to a general auto electric place

    I assume you checked the fuses

    All in the rear suggests a loom issue of some kind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭djan


    Yeah fuses were the first thing that came to mind but unfortunately seem fine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    Niro EV is officially finished. New version just launched in Korea and it’s hybrid only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭Killer K


    The new Niro Hybrid will be sold in Europe? Know they will have the K4 Hybrid at the end of the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭zg3409




  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 7,392 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    So have our annual service to maintain the warranty shortly.

    Last year, I saw some people got a mini valet with it, we got nothing. Booked in with Kia Dundrum for conveienece again, they are quoting €195

    Anyone used them lately, can we expect a mini valet (or anything else) this time for that money?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 lotsobear


    I'm looking at a 2023 Niro EV to replace a 10 year old diesel. Would the owners here recommend? We were impressed by it and our discussion with the dealer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Send a link to the actual ad from the dealer. And a price if not mentioned on ad. Are you trading in old car and if so how much are they giving you for it?

    Assuming battery size 64kWh you will reluanly get 250+km before you need to stop to recharge. Typically 300+, up to 400+ in hot summer especially at non motorway speeds. You need a home charger, so ideally if street driveway and you own your home (not renting). If your daily commute is high you will save a lot on Diesel but beware depreciation is biggest cost. That 30k EV could be worth 20k in a couple of years. These cars are somewhat slow to public charge so if going on a trip of say 400km round trip you may need to stop at a charger for 30+ minutes and they may be busy, blocked or broken or at a location that does not suit you to stop and sit.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,732 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Had a 2020 eniro for 5 years, changed for an ev3.

    No issues with the car, majority of our driving are R roads, but "good" R roads 80&100km

    Do about 300-400km/week no issues,

    Could do the 200 mile round trip to Belfast (from north Donegal) without charging even in winter, although there was one day that I was at 8% coming home.

    Range more or less sat at 380-400 year round.

    This is our second " fuel crisis" and we aren't looking back.

    Home charger is essential though. If needing to public charge you'll not save anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 lotsobear


    Most of our weekly driving is trips under 50km, typical drive about 300km a week with West to east coast trip every 2 or 3 months. Home charger not an issue, reliability is a priority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭championc


    I certainly find the GOM displayed range pretty accurate.

    We don't do many long trips, and don't have a heavy foot either, so we have 500+ km showing every time we charge to 100%



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,557 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    500+ km ???? I don't think I've ever seen 400, let alone 500 :)



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