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Bord Bia Problem

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    But it's making very little of farmers efforts if they let him keep his job



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭DBK1


    I’ve never found the audit to be too bad, in fact I’d have the opposite opinion. I can’t see how it can be made any more farmer friendly. It’s usually youngish farmers that perform the audit, I assume it’s a side gig when they’re getting going in farming themselves, and I’ve never had any reason to complain about any of them. Generally they’re mad for a bit of a chat and I find if you ask them about their own farm they’re only more than happy to discuss it.

    Facilities here would be ok but far from perfect and paper work the same but still there’s never been any major issue in passing. Relative to the inspections, paper work and audits that take place in any other industries the Bord Bia is fairly straightforward.

    Murrin has to go though and I think he shouldn’t be given the option to stand down, he should be dismissed immediately from his position by the minister. What it might change is the mindset of the next men or women in the role. If they know they can be dismissed for doing anything that contradicts what the role of Bord Bia is, then it might lead to better and more honest candidates for the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭Dunedin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Sacrolyte


    I’d take a Bord Bia inspector finding problems any day over a Dept inspector. Bord Bia will give you time to fix an issue as will the dept but they may also lighten your pocket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Do farmers think they'll be turned away from the Bord bia headquarters if they turn up to support or are they just pure lazy.

    Just asking



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,658 ✭✭✭tanko


    Gormless Francie won’t be happy if he has to pull his snout out of the Bord Bia trough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭epfff


    I won't support a ifa action.

    They were sitting at table with him.

    Didn't uncover the problem.

    Didn't support his removal until they discovered it was the popular opinion.

    Its a populist move by a group that grew old together and are afraid of change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭yewdairy


    So your own pettiness will stop you supporting other farmers, who are working to achieve an outcome that you want also to see happen.

    Do you realise how idiotic that is

    It's possible to disagree with people/associations and still work with them when there is a common goal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    The reason the Ifa and Francie went to Athlone and now outside Bord Bia is the top brass told Francie get out there the annual membership is due and be seen to be there. The top brass want the money coming in to pay their wages and not rock the boat with the money collectors. The chairman won’t be moved by the IFA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,999 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Bord Bia with a chairman importing unregulated Brazilian beef makes just about as much sense as Trumps Board of peace with Putin and Netanuahu on board.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭epfff


    I think you have picked me up wrong.

    They are doing this to remain relevant to Irish farming. It is simply a token gesture to gain publicity. I do not believe they have the interest of the majority of farmers at heart on any issue.

    I believe they have been a major cause of damage to Irish farming the last decade and have lost touch with young/progressive/partime/self made farmers of the 21st century.

    Can anyone answer why the ifa did not expose this issue? (Considering the chair has said they knew about it)

    Can anyone answer why it has taken so long for them to take action?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭yewdairy


    What damage have they done exactly? The IFA for all it's problems are a democratic organisation, it's ultimately farmers who are elected to all the positions of power by other farmers.

    Farming full-time here in my thirties with a young family, on balance I think they do a good job representing farming. People slate the farm orgs but never have any alternatives. Very easy be the hurler on the ditch

    On bord bia as far as I can see the chairman only told the board a few days ago? How could either of the farm orgs acted before then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    That''s a bit sad, Francie was first outa the traps looking for chairmans removal, No one can say that IFA knew before now without lying through their teeth and coming across as a begrudger. Tax payers are paying another useless Public Service to monitor beef imports. Apparently the imported beef was declared in writing on the packaging for all to see including all lazy farmers so go figure.

    Any citicism you have of IFA is only childish conjecture because you think everyone is getting more than you but not seeing the extra work we've put into improving our lot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,046 ✭✭✭older by the day




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    I try to tell here that it's democratic, voted by farmers for farmers, but it's easier for lazy farmers to do nothing and fair enough.

    But then to launch a tirade of abuse on the members is despicable and ultimately will only damage the position of farmers in negotiations.

    There's monthly meetings in every county usually attended by representatives from national council. What can be wrong with that for formulating policy.

    Farmers doing similar farming to myself in the thirty years up 2020 can't complain anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,658 ✭✭✭tanko


    Any Beef/Suckler farmer that is dumb enough to be paying membership money to the IFA needs their head examined



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I've no problem with the picket outside Bord Bia but it should have been done in coordination with the other farming orgs that sit on the Board. doing it this way has the look of, stroke politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Wrangler im old enough to remember Joe Rea (im taking him as an example). Did he consult various committees every time he came on radio and TV? The man seemed to be on it morning noon and night. He was on it so much I doubt if he ever got home never mind see whatever committees thought.

    I know times have changed but IFA and others might get a bit more respect if their leaders had the same firebrand attitude Joe Rea and others who followed him had.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,600 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    I nearly put my fist through the laptop this evening when glancing over these lecture notes, from a university that has a board member in bord bia, lambs to the slaughter comes to mind, the dice is loaded and european farmers arent winning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,060 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    That's how the nuclear reactors were shut down in Germany.

    Some educated people think they can live on fraughans. Probably think they can pay for a house on that plot of moorland too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭amacca


    I won't ask for context but ffs I hope there's more to it than that....

    Intelligent people can be very dim at times......a counterpoint is not just food security , it is the whole chain of "value" extraction....seems like they find it hard to see the wood for the trees

    Would be interesting to see where the funding for the geniuses that come up with this stuff comes from also...

    Having said all that I may be jumping to conclusions but I suspect I'm not......what about strong case for govt policy to adjust **** processor/retailer/toothless authority regulator etc behaviour....the producer is forced to run at the pace of the system around them in order to earn an unsatisfactory return in many cases...examine the incentives and consequences within the system, look at who holds the real power......parkinsons law of triviality comes to mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Once a month there's a national council meeting, chaired by the president , of county chairmen and commodity chairmen, and every commodity chairman gives a report which is discusssed. It's up to the president then to be well enough informed at that meeting to handle the questions. Each of those commoditiy commitees would have a rep from every county, so we're getting the opinion of seven or eight hundred reps funneled in to every monthly national council meeting.

    You can see that the chances of a president setting his own agenda is impossible. I could be forgiven for deciding that the trolls are only a bunch of liars and childish with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭Pat734


    I was reading Darragh McCullagh's article in The Farming Independent today. Others on here should read it too and maybe lose the need for someone's "head on a plate" attitude. It really is narrow minded to say the least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Darragh was never on the farmers side. Whatever about murrin they should be kicking the **** outa whatever lazy public service was supposed to be monitoring imports



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Totally agree Darragh not on farmers side.

    Obviously Rea and John Dillon et al could read a room with all that bureaucracy and come out on national media better than all our present farmers leaders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,211 ✭✭✭White Clover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    What kinda course is that from if you don’t mind me asking Jaymla? (If you’d prefer not to answer that’s fine too)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭dmakc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    My question is where was the oversight on all of this. It seems to me that the supermarkets just fire everything into a packet with a bord bia symbol on it and hope no one notices it's from Africa, Brazil or Israel. We get audited and get wraps on the knuckles if our paper work isn't correct who's doing these guys audits? I'm guessing it's not agridata or SWS?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,114 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I would not agree with what you are alluding to. Retailers are very protective of there brands and have gaurantees from processors. Fines are not what processors or retailers are afraid of. Brand damage to retailers and litigation because of it to processors.

    There is plenty of markets for Brazilian beef mostly in the lower end food services sector where no gaurantee are given to Joe public as to there providence.

    I even see in the HE and AA scheme where cattle tend to grade O- or better so as to get them into the scheme. If they grade P the meat cannot even be used as mince product in the scheme. So you get you 12c QA, you 6c difference from a P+ grade and your HE/AA bonus so the processors can sell it as that branded product to a retailer, a branded fast foot outlet or a restaurant.

    Slava Ukrainii



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