Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

Tbf its isn't always hypocrisy. Some is just outright stupidity.

Not that any of that is bad advice, but it can be difficult to understand its degree of relevance.

Firstly, responsible behaviour as between citizens and law enforcement is a two-way street. In the US, a critical mass of your society has resolved that it remains wise, even vital, to continue to have relatively lax gun laws. So citizens know that law enforcement agents are armed, and law enforcement knows that any citizen could be armed. If anyone wants that system to work, it cannot be predicated on the idea that the mere sight of a gun in an altercation — where the owner has the gun holstered and is not threatening to unholster it or making any perceivable movement to unholster it — is requisite cause to use immediate lethal force on that person. If you want a country awash with guns, law enforcement must work within that reality. You cannot have jittery officers in charged situations firing off live rounds in panic, especially not where the person being shot is not showing any signs of intent to do anything which merits lethal force.

I cannot deny that I wouldn't personally deem it wise to carry weapons around in situations like that in Minneapolis right now. But that cannot be a relevant consideration here. People do things which are unwise in the name of their passions and beliefs all the time, and in the case of your country that goes all the way back to your founding fathers attempting some very inadvisable illegal activities. There can be no assumption of the perfect behaviour and restraint of citizens versus law enforcement — nor should there be in any society which values the balance between freedom and the rule of law.

I think it's also worth pointing out that the video evidence doesn't show Pretti acting in a very aggressive or overly threatening manner. Yes, he is making a nuisance of himself from the perspective of the agents but the escalations of a physical / combative nature seem to be made by the agents, not him.

The U.S. is up to its eyeballs in debt.

That debt has just surpassed $38.4 trillion which is a Debt to GDP ratio of 124%. with Fortune today predicting that Trump`s Big Beautiful Bill will add a further £5.5 trillion in debt. That would increase their Debt to GDP ratio from 124% too 142%. For that perspective you are so keen on, Ireland`s Debt to GDP ratio for 2024 was 41% and is predicted to fall to 32% this year.

85 million tourist visiting the U.S. in 2025 was also the prediction in 2024 and we know how that worked out. I see Seep Blatter Ex FIFA President is now calling for fans to boycott this World Cup.

If you want us to return our hotel to their original purpose what do you want us to do with the Ukrainian war refugees that are being accommodated in them. Send them back to Ukraine to be slaughtered by Trump`s pal Putin similar to how his other pal Netanyahu slaughtered Palestinians in Gaza ?

I think if you dig into it you'll find that in America's two party system it's always been the Democratic Party that makes the most moves to remedy the "massive inequality in the US" and the Republicans that seek to widen that gap.

Not enough moves to convince their followers to vote in large enough numbers to ensure that the MAGA candidate doesn't win.

That doesn't change facts.

Trying to blame the Democrats on the "massive inequality in the US" is nonsense.

Completely outside their remit and just goes to emphasise how they're not really 'ICE' but a Brown Shirt style organisation under the guise of 'ICE'.

I wonder what else we'll see them get involved in next.

Nah. The US military are economic jackboots, nothing more, nothing less.

Who would you blame for the half baked presidential bid a couple of years ago? Apathy is a huge part of the reason the country is where it is now. “I’m alright Jack”. Lots of people aren’t alright at all and they demonstrated that at the polls.

I've no time to go round and round with you on this all day. You go and believe what you want to believe. There's a lot to be critical about with regard to the Democratic Party. But needless to say, blaming the Democrats on inequality in the US or for Trump is talking absolute bollocks.

There's hope for you yet 😁

They voted for that gobsh*te off the Telly because their critical thinking skills are poor, because their education was poor and they’re trying to stick it to the people who they perceive to be doing better than them. I don’t like it, but the US needs to look inwards if it wants to solve the MAGA problem.

Military cooperation is not as dead in the water as Trump keeps indicating.