Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

I read that as alligators. And thought "yeah, would serve him right".

I just feel like the problem with the US psyche in general is that everyone wants to be on the side of righteousness- not "morally right" but "right+winning". The MAGA's feel emboldened by Trumps first election win, then January 6th, then the second win, pardons and now ICE. The MAGA following are some of the most marginalized people in the country for the most part so can you blame them for wanting their say, really? Even if the message is abhorrent, they are uneducated, poor and in a lot of cases addicted and starving. Their life expectancy is lower and they can't find work. The Democrat side have far more privilege and instead of fighting to make the playing field level for everyone with free education, health care and other social security they're using their (low tax) paycheques to pay for doordashers and retweeting clips of SNL mocking the only people the MAGAs perceive to be standing up for them.

The GOP's only job is to make this marginalized population vote for them- that's easy, they just have to use simple language (with a regional accent for bonus points) and blame the foreigner for all of their problems. If everyone was entitled to the same education this would be a lot more difficult to achieve but would the average Democrat voter agree to pay more taxes for free third level education for all? Up until now inequality has worked for many many average Americans.

I'm not blaming them but there was always going to be a result to the massive inequality in the US and this is it. Lots of really nice, level headed and progressive thinking people have much more privilege than the MAGAs, it's just a fact.

People keep saying that ICE agents are badly trained. On what basis are people saying that?

It seems that they are perfectly trained for what their job actually is.

The reality is that this incident is only causing the problems it is for 2 reasons. 1st it was videotaped from multiple angles. That reduces the ability for lies and cover-ups.

2nd, the reason that this truck is more than the Good shooting is that it brought about a possibility of infringement on the 2nd amendment. The NRA, etc., are not worried that this guy was shot; the mistake the admin made was to push the line that having a gun in the 1st place was reason enough for the ICE agents to act as they did. It placed the likes of Fox News in a difficult position. They 100% wanted to back the admin, but that meant pushing the agenda that guns are inherently bad

If he had not had the gun, then this would have been swept under the carpet.

It's enough to get him in power because not enough people are voting the other way. The voter turnout wasn't much more than 60%.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

That is what we are seeing now.

I'm old enough to remember when we, as naive citizens, were told by an informed, educated and honorable member of the military, that we were being silly when we feared that the army might carry out illegal orders from a fascist president.

"Tut tut" you would say. We should have faith in those in uniform that this would *never* happen, because those moral members of the military would have the ability to analyze and determine what is illegal and what is not.

Well, lookie here. A fascist president *did* send in his men in uniform, who carry out illegal orders and ultimately two innocent members of the public are dead. You know, the ones you are supposed to protect?

And what comment do we get, to address these tragic events? Perhaps some circumspection, an expression of some disappointment in the system, or heaven forbid, even some consumption of a crumb of humble pie?

Nope.

Not a shred of sympathy for the victims, disgust at the behavior of ICE... just a commentary on what could possibly be done after the horse has truly bolted.

Rebranding for ICE? Rebranding? Yes. Perhaps you might check with Hugo Boss, and see if some of their factories can help get it started.

You can try, but you cannot insulate yourself from the actions of these thugs by hiding behind uniforms. They, like you, obey the fascist orders from a fascist president, and that makes you part of a fascist army.

As if you continue to say that you're not yet defend him to the hilt, it severely damages your credibility as a honest poster.

The training for ICE agents was 6 months but was cut down to 6 weeks.

The whole episode shows how important it is to have people recording their every move with as much footage as possible. Makes the murder or other offences irrefutable once the time comes to prosecute these thugs from Noem down to individual agents.